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ML models aren't like generating a bunch of if statements.


Jokes about alcoholics and bipolar people aren't usually part of a political campaign (willing or unwilling) to get them barred from many parts of public life[1] or fuel other genocidal ambitions[2].

Also, they're not even funny. Maybe because their function is not to make you laugh.

[1]: https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1582492801190674432

[2]: https://www.damemagazine.com/2022/03/15/trans-people-are-in-...


Perhaps you are unaware that many recovering alcoholics choose to remain anonymous because revealing it would be damaging to their career. I don't tell people I'm bipolar under my real name because I noticed it scares people and they pull away from being friends with me. So don't tell me how trans women are more special than me.


Communicating your stigmas is optional, and rarely does anyone with institutional power demonize you or even attempt to de-facto ban you from public life for it.

I am extremely obviously trans, I can't opt out of being beaten up because some conservative talking head said people like me are all pedophiles. And if the GOP had their way I'd be illegal anywhere a 10 year old could be as "inherently sexual".


It is not optional. I have to out myself as well. Any time I start getting in a serious relationship with someone I have to sit them down to have "the talk" about me being a recovering alcoholic and bipolar. It's usually a relationship killer.

Let's be honest, you have a better chance of finding love than I do. I've been single for 10 years.

Look, I don't want to fight. I just want to use humor to ease my pain. Humor is good for that. What's wrong with a joke about a trans woman?


Nothing is bad with jokes about trans people inherently.

But as I already said, these are meant to tease your disgust reflex more than provoke laughter.

I'd recommend looking up some trans comedians. Not that I think you need to be trans to make jokes about us, but it certainly seems to help go beyond the typical "X identifies as Y" one joke format that is so prevalent in conservative comedy and certainly the Babylon Bee that collecting permutations of it has its own subreddit.[1]

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/onejoke/


> I'd recommend looking up some trans comedians

Will do. That sounds interesting. Thanks for engaging and Godspeed.


Politicians aren't using alcoholics as boogie-men.


Because Twitter policy wasn't informed by a single person until now.


Alright, the why is it not "group ideology"?


This is senseless. You can just keep moving the goalpost. If I gave you arguments based on sociological consensus you'd just declare sociology woke groupthink too.


I have not moved the goal post. My objection in the original comment was that the discussion was framed in terms of musks' ideology vs the current non-ideology status quo. It wasn't Musk's beliefs, or world view, or political leaning, but his ideology.

The only reason its framed this way is since the comment I originally replied to disagrees with Musk. If he was coming in and doubling down on Twitter's choices it would suddenly stop being ideology.


Paradox of tolerance.


Arguably, that model is already dying in favor of what Adobe already does: Maximum extraction from everyone who doesn't have price sensitivity and scraps for everyone else.

Magic The Gathering for is releasing a set with 60 random non-tournament legal cards for $1000, while thinning supply for their previously most popular product (Draft boosters) in favor of more "premium" products with eye-watering prices.

Overwatch 2 has moved on to charging $20+ for their skins and limits essentially all progression to a non-randomized Battlepass that requires you to turn the game into your second job to complete. In OW1, loot boxes were awarded regularly and contained enough currency that a few hours of play could get you any of the now $20 skins.

Mobile games figured out that the top 1% of consumers of entertainment media can pay for the bulk of it if you just ask for prices asinine enough. I guess we'll see if barring the other 99% from all optional content will lead to dives in player populations.


I'm not sure what you mean by "snapshot" when most docker images are instructions to (more or less) reproducibly create an image.

I hope you don't COPY your entire system into the container at least.


> most docker images are instructions to (more or less) reproducibly create an image

I can't recall ever encountering such a thing myself. On the other hand, I've seen LOTS of this sort of thing:

  RUN apt-get update && \
    apt-get -y install apache2
The above is taken from official AWS documentation[1] but it's pretty rampant.

As I mentioned above, when the instructions are reproducible, there's no point using Docker to run them; a shell script would suffice.

[1] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonECS/latest/developerguide/...


It depends a lot on your base image. If you use Debian locked to a release, you'll likely get the same Apache version plus small fixes / security fixes (whatever the exact Debian policy is).

That's not reproducible in the sense of "reproducible software", but it is usually good enough to build other things on top of.

If you want reproducible in the sense of unchaging/same digest, you should make a custom base image with the things you never want to change and pull it from somewhere.


"Base image", AKA a cached snapshot, like I said ;)


If you had any interest beyond repeating hearsay, you could have stumbled upon keffals addressing this head on.

Attempting to associate LGBT people with pedophiles is as old of a smear tactic as gay people being visible in public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSqJddReAjg


That is a lie. Nobody is making "bathtub estrogen". It's not that easy to make. It's always been a joke.

Estradiol as a medication is easily available. It is listed on the WHO list of essential medicines and very commonly prescribed to women after menopause. So there's no money to be made there either.


Hell I dunno bud. All I know is when I followed a few breadcrumbs a while back I quickly found a 'guide' on it. I knew a kid in highschool who extracted DMT himself with lighter fluid from an online guide, and that was just to get high. I know that dysphoria is a pretty desperate situation for some, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone felt motivated to make the attempt.


All serious guides consist of ordering from foreign pharmacies and then knowing what the things you ordered do.

If you have any information to the contrary I'd love to see it.


No, but Cloudflare and several other ISPs will not drop you simply because a large volume of people complains. This doesn't work like Twitter moderation. The quality of these complaints warrants not wanting those people associated with you.


> Cloudflare and several other ISPs will not drop you simply because a large volume of people complains.

Yes they will. This is the example of them literally doing exactly that.


Not according to Cloudflare. Ironically, once Kiwifarms started harassing Cloudflare employees that's when Cloudflare removed them.


Then why are they still hosting several sites that people complain about it all the time too. Cloudflare loves providing services to Nazis as long as they don't get themselves associated with mass shootings too often in the same small time window (8chan) or your Infosec hire turns out to be associated with some of the Nazis who claim they have inside help to stay on Cloudflare. (Daily Stormer)

Infowars is literally on Cloudflare right now.


So is Gab, and they are also using Cloudflare. They also have their own ASN and have been sitting on Hurricane Electric (HE) for years despite all the calls to 'deplatform' them, which like I expected Kiwifarms to move to Epik for their domain, they will also move to HE or elsewhere.

I guess Gab is not villain of the month to be deplatformed today.


Gab is simply irrelevant in the big picture.


That's beside the point. Even so, it is as 'irrelevant' as Mastodon is regardless.

The whole point is, Cloudflare still has them as a customer despite all the chaos that has happened with Gab in the past and despite the calls and previous failed attempts to deplatform and wipe them off the internet, they are still there using Epik, HE and I predict that KiwiFarms will follow suit.

Until the next time one of them becomes the villain of the month, then we'll see the same calls, deplatforming attempts once again.


It's not simply because a large volume of people complained.


Then sue them in US court. They are a US company.


Do you think legal processes can be flawed?


Yes, but when they are, we should just fix them, rather than resorting to vigilantism.


> rather than resorting to vigilantism

Where/how is vigilantism occurring?


It's vigilantism in the sense that people are trying to take down their service on every possible layer (in this case: peering/infrastructure) but no one is willing to make a legal case against them.


But how is this vigilantism, which implies taking the law into one’s own hands?

There doesn’t need to be a legal case to refuse service to someone using your services for harassment.

If a group of people make a hobby out of walking into gay bars and verbally abusing customers, it’s not vigilantism to refuse service to those groups / kick them out.

One can be banned from an establishment for far less.


The thing is that at a certain level, things just become essential infrastructure to function.

Moon has its own server, its own network (AS), a colocation that is willing to host his server as long as he does not violate US law or ignores incoming complaints.

But now it's the peering companies just refusing to route to them, based on some complaints that might not even be fact checked. For many that could be considered essential infrastructure, since you cannot simply start your own peering company.

For reference, his .is domain was taken down since people complained about CSAM hosted on his site. But in fact the links provided were not CSAM. But who is willing to check with that and potentially having to deal with law enforcement as a consequence for this? Likely no one, thus they drop him to stay on the safe and easy side then to protect a costumer that's could be trouble, even if some accusations are wrong.

It's a bit similar as with roads or with the post. Many people dislike Joe Rogan I guess. But imagine now disallowing him to drive on certain roads, UPS/DHL refusing to send packages to his address, AT&T disconnecting his lines because they disagree with him.

Surely at some point you cannot just build everything on your own.

And that's all for services that are (still) considered to be legal, but for which companies just are not willing to take up the heat.


For one, KF constantly faces DDoS attacks.


Kiwifarms users are engaging in vigilantism against their targets, and it's not even vigilantism for a real crime - it's vigilantism for the "crime" of being transgender.


I believe the parent comment was implying vigilantism on the part of ISPs/providers for the actions they’ve taken against KF.

I agree that the participants there are engaging in something closer to vigilantism, although I don’t think they actually believe they have a righteous cause, they’re just unabashedly intolerant and enjoy harassing people which is something else.


This isn't quite accurate. While they do disproportionately make threads about people who are trans, they have plenty of threads about cis people as well. It's not like they target random transgender people. If anything, the "crime" would be being Internet-famous.


And many of the things they post is about immoral/illegal actions. You don't really become a target for them for being well behaved.


One could argue that a great many things have been left up for corporations to decide, especially in the US. That is by design.

I would of course also love to see this addressed in legislature, but that seems unlikely given the current political climate.


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