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More than almost any other company in the world. I trust Google to protect my data well from external and internal snooping. I don't have that faith in many companies.

Yeah to me this is something people don't get about Google. Google was built around the notion that data is valuable so they do their best to keep it to themselves and not share with anyone. They do know who is who by tracking you but it is in their interest to allow their customers to utilise the data but not access it directly.

Funnily enough all the actions against Google advertising business monopoly if work out would probably make privacy on the web worse in my opinion.


realization that data is valuable does not imply a privacy consciousness.

google is in the business of selling access to that information.

though, i can see the wisdom in painting the alternative even worse.


I never said anything about privacy but rather about profits its in google interests to let and help you target high earning 26-36 year old using it ad tech rather than telling you who those 26-36 year high earners are. So your data not privacy is more important to them to keep from everyone else directly but through their ad tech.

dang has said on multiple occasions they don't and he has never given me any reason to doubt his integrity. Quite the opposite.

The rule is "we moderate less, not more, when YC or a YC startup is the story". In other words, we do moderate such stories, we just do less (usually a lot less) than we would if it were a different topic. I posted a longer explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41732846 and there are 10 years' worth of similar explanations here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu....

There are a lot of HN folks here ( startups, ... )

Dang said they didn't do it and it's being flagged by users.

Which obviously makes sense of you think about it.


The flags on hn are extremely powerful, so I don't doubt this. Just a few flags obliterate a post with tons of upvotes. It wouldn't take many people to kill it, and it doesn't require a conspiracy

I will frequently flag posts that are rage bait or where the comments are just the same few people arguing. I haven't flagged this one because I commented in it but it's a very low value post.

What makes it low value in your opinion? The story combines AI, YC, software licenses etc., which are generally of interest to the HN community.

It's gossip rage bait to feel the feelings of superiority in the writers community vs VC land. It doesn't dive into any of those things, if it did that could be valuable, it's just reporting events to drive feelings.

“You don’t need a formal conspiracy when interests converge” - George Carlin

Is this supposed to assauge the concerns of the public? Is dang not employed by, and thus a representative of, Y Combinator? There is every reason to believe he is directly responsible for protecting the interests of the company.

"Company investigated Company and found that Company did nothing wrong"


> There is every reason to believe he is directly responsible for protecting the interests of the company.

Yes, but the way we do it is different from the common assumption because we want to optimize HN's value for YC globally rather than overreacting to any particular story.

HN's value to YC consists of the community, and the community only exists because of goodwill and trust. To jeopardize that for the sake of suppressing a particular story (even if the article is false and/or sensational and/or shallow, silly or whatever) would be a super dumb tradeoff, so (as my son once said when he was little) "that what we not do".

I understand the skepticism, and of course you're free to disbelieve any part of what I say. All I can do is explain to people what we do and how we think about it, answer questions when asked, and hope that this is good enough to keep the bulk of the community happy.


I don't really care about your concerns. If you are willing to lie for an employer we are ethically distant. I've seen no indication dang is willing to do that either and seen him being very open about things he didn't need to be. Also the way ownership works isn't so simple anymore as HN is YC. More like YC is HNs major sponsor these days.

I would hardly consider "moderating a public forum in accordance with your employer-mandated job description guidelines" to be "lying."

"dang" is a detail--the point is, if someone is being cut a paycheck by a company, the public is well within reason to believe that person has a job obligation to favorably represent the interests of that company.


> I would hardly consider "moderating a public forum in accordance with your employer-mandated job description guidelines" to be "lying."

Explicitly saying you don't do X while doing X is lying, whether or not you are getting a paycheck for it.

(And to be clear, I doubt dang is lying; there’s no need to resort to centralized moderation to explain the observed behavior.)


But dang has on multiple occasions said he doesn't do this so that would be not just lying up unnecessary lying.

Would anyone stop using HN if you knew they buried negative stories about YC? You're all still here so likely no.


> and he has never given me any reason to doubt his integrity

in other news: man kills his family, neighbours swear they were a normal happy family, It's totally unexpected, we never would have thought something like this could happen

past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior if and only if nothing else changes.

not speaking about dang specifically, but IMO it's a bit different to not do something when it benefits your reputation and to not do anything when it can harm your job safety.


If the link is to indiehackers it's just going to be a forum post from another stranger with unknown biases.

If you read the book the box they did the same when standard containers came in. The docks were forced to pay for like 5x the number of workers required because of Union agreements.

I'm reading that right now, and it's incredible the amount of rent seeking that went on. It was a system that wasn't great for anyone except those who got the bribes from people looking to work.

(I also had a good laugh when they described "shape up," or the process of choosing workers from those who assembled for the day. It was horribly corrupt. And, of course, the term is now used as a software planning process.)


That was more of a trip on the underground thing


Pretty sure it's just fantasy, it's easy to find his book from his comments. He has <5k followers and minimal engagement on any social media platform, his book does not have great reviews nor many of them on goodreads(150 reviews for a book that would have had to sell almost 25k copies in a month to get those numbers).

Any conversation I've found in related subreddits seems negative.


She founded it


Does it have the worst battery life on the market when comparing like to like?

Garmin isn't like to like since it's not really a smart watch it's an exercise tracker. What are android watches like for battery life that would be a better comparison.


Yes it does, and I can give you many examples. However, the following thing you said tells me that having a rational conversation with you is unlikely:

> Garmin isn't like to like since it's not really a smart watch it's an exercise tracker.


And like people who complain that apples laptops are too expensive you'll be bringing out examples with far fewer features, slower processors, worse displays and battery lives that only exist when the user doesn't track or run anything I'm guessing.

If you think Garmin watches are at all comparable to apple watches while still maintaining those long battery lives you've never used a Garmin watch for anything.


So many vacuous claims about supposed missing features, worse displays, worse battery life... and yet the only hard evidence/example in this entire comment chain is the horrible battery life of the apple watch...

You're not even trying to be honest or rational.


Because all of those things impact battery life. You are trading improved performance and features for worse battery life. These are not unrelated.

My Swatch has a battery life that makes any Garmin on the market seem pathetic. Is it fair to compare the two on battery life?


> Because all of those things impact battery life.

Oh 'all' of those zero specific things you mentioned impact battery life? Ok.

Anyway, I don't even care what the battery life is - my initial comment in this chain is replying to a guy who didn't mention any of these elusive (apparently taboo to name) missing features - they literally just tried to argue that lower batter life is an advantage because they can't keep a routine otherwise. Pointing out how absurd this reasoning is seems to trigger a bunch of other apple fanboys, which is just hilarious tbh.


Processing power, screen size and quality, active monitoring quality, AOD. There are a few things that will hugely impact battery life.

Lower battery life literally doesn't matter if you can charge it in the time it takes you to get ready in the morning. It has zero impact on usability.

The maximum battery lives advertised on sites are literally for doing nothing anyhow. My Garmin definitely does not have a multi day charge when I'm using it to track swimming.

You are doing the tech equivalent to her knees are too pointy.


> Processing power

What are you doing with your apple watch that requires additional processing power?

> screen size and quality

Many watches have larger screens, Apple screen quality is among the best - true.

> active monitoring quality

I mean... garmin beats apple hands down, so do other brands.

> AOD

Almost every modern smart watch has this?

> Lower battery life literally doesn't matter if you can charge it in the time it takes you to get ready in the morning.

'Having lower RAM literally doesn't matter if you can just use less.'

> It has zero impact on usability.

Cool story bro.


>What are you doing with your apple watch that requires additional processing power?

Using apps on it. If all you want is the time and a heart rate monitor than yeah apple watch isn't for you.

>I mean... garmin beats apple hands down, so do other brands.

I meant day to day active monitoring not when you're in a workout.

>Almost every modern smart watch has this?

Yes and go check their battery life differences when it's turned on.

>'Having lower RAM literally doesn't matter if you can just use less.'

I can charge it when it's not needed.


> I can charge it when it's not needed.

You can also run one app at a time save on RAM.


Yup, and if you don't need to run multiple apps at the same time that is a valid tradeoff if it buys you other things.


How often do you track exercise with it? That watch looks like it doesn't actually run anything on it except a heart rate monitor and is just a passive bluetooth enabled notification display so that would definitely explain the difference in power usage.


Yes, for sure it does much less. It just has basic health monitoring, steps, heartbeat, sleep. I have the continuous heartbeat monitoring off, and turn it on for workouts 3-4 times a week. It will show messages, email, or other app notifications. For me that's most of what I want from a smartwatch, and I'm willing to trade the more advanced features for the battery life.


Ok but you can understand why comparing the battery life between these two makes no sense right?


I don't know what kind of deal the creators of The Fifth Element have done but I'm pretty sure more than 50% of the time I check into a hotel if I turn on the tv it will be playing on one of the channels and I'll watch it from whatever point it is up to.


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