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If Woz had a little more Jobs in him, he'd have told Jobs to go fuck himself when he sold Woz's work to Atari and paid him a fraction of the money.

There would be no Apple.

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Look at it from the other way too.

A foreign agency is secretly funnelling money into an institution that's supposed to be looking after my (as a UK citizen) interests.

I think it's well past time this incestuous charade was exposed.

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I'm stuck in a cycle of continuously rediscovering this, then forgetting it again almost immediately because CTRL+ALT+DEL is so damned ingrained.

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See: Woz and Jobs.

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See this? This is part of the problem, stop being so stereotypically blinkered.

The rest of the world doesn't care if the US government is spying on its own citizens. The US government is ACCOUNTABLE to its own citizens (well nominally, but hey...), so if they don't like it they're in a position to do something about it.

As a none US citizen, I care that the US government is spying on ME, unilaterally and without any accountability.

This is what the rest of the world cares about. Stop pissing away what little sympathy you have by moaning like a spoiled child about the bad shit your government is doing to YOU, and open your fucking eyes to what it's doing to EVERYONE ELSE.

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Children shouldn't be using the internet unsupervised, full stop.

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takluyver 313 days ago | link

And, like lots of other things that shouldn't happen, they will. Their parent will be desperately trying to get some work done, or cooking dinner, or watching another child. Children now increasingly get to use tablets for entertainment, and a parent won't be constantly watching the screen, even though it can access the web.

I don't think network-level filters are the best way to address it. But let's stop pretending this is as simple as telling some lazy parents to get their act together.

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workbench 313 days ago | link

If you hand your tablet off to your child like that unsupervised you're a bad parent anyway.

Finding it really hard to sympathise with these people who can't look after their own offspring responsibly

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takluyver 312 days ago | link

Why? It's an interactive device that they can play Tetris or Angry Birds on. It's not a stick of dynamite. Most parents will be more worried about what the kid does to the tablet than vice versa. It's only a risky item because some people can't stand the idea of there being any way to access the internet that doesn't include all of the less salubrious bits.

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jiggy2011 313 days ago | link

Really? A 13 year old is still a child, would you still insist they can't use any computer device without somebody watching over their shoulder?

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venomsnake 313 days ago | link

Because the people that are in their late 20-s early 30-s turned out so bad.

Actually the internet is much tamer now than in the 90-s. And we survived somehow.

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pyre 313 days ago | link

I don't find the Internet tamer now than in the past. Maybe the ratio of non-porn sites to porn sites has increased, but it's trivially easy to find really hardcore porn in video form now with all of the 'tube sites.

I've also heard there have been increased expectations of anal sex from teen girls due to its increased prevalence in porn.

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jiggy2011 313 days ago | link

That might have worked when most households had 1 or 2 desktop PCs and a 56k modem between them.

Now, everything is starting to have internet access in one way or another including games consoles. Whilst very young children might need a lot of supervision regardless, I don't think 12 years olds are going to be too happy with their parents sitting in their bedrooms with them all evening while they play xbox.

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lucian1900 313 days ago | link

I used the internet unsupervised for various things (including porn). I have not noticed any damage.

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guard-of-terra 313 days ago | link

What is "unsupervised"? Children today are given a tablet at the age of three and they tap on it happily.

Do you seriously suggest all people with kids to have a full-time job of watching their kids tap on their tablets over the shoulder? Who's going pay the wage?

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joosters 313 days ago | link

Yes, but that's almost impossible, e.g. do you insist that your child can't use their mobile phone unsupervised then?

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andyhmltn 313 days ago | link

In theory: No they shouldn't you're right. In practice: It doesn't matter. I'm not saying it doesn't have any effect, but me and everyone my age I know grew up with unsupervised internet. 'It never done me any harm.'

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This is remarkable, I initially thought you'd typo'd your typo and had to do a double take to spot it.

Isn't the brain a wonderful and scary thing.

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"There is now a menace called the printing press. The best examples of lies can be found there. To me, movable type is the worst menace to society." -- some fucking Pope or other.

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iuguy 316 days ago | link

To be fair an Ottoman Sultan banned Ottoman script from being printed, effectively banning the printing press across the Ottoman empire and pretty ending the Ottoman golden age, starting it's descent.

The irony of Tayyip Erdogan's Neo-Ottomanist dreams is not lost on me with this statement.

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Gone to the great Rumfuddle in the sky. RIP.

96 isn't a bad innings all told.

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Yeah, this article's blinkered, hyperbolic and frankly smug tone is pretty amusing when you take things like the above into context.

He even sticks a "literally Hitler!" on the end for good measure.

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dmix 325 days ago | link

I apologize for posting blogspam but I refuse to post the DailyMail on HN.

Either way the mods took this article off the frontpage.

As a side note, the border security do not operate under the same laws as the US courts/police. It's a grey area where they can arbitrarily deny you for looking at them the wrong way. Free speech doesn't apply at border crossings. In addition noone was arrested domestically. Not the best analogy.

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