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> "Even the name ’RadioShack’—can you imagine two less appealing words placed next to one another?”

This made me chuckle.


Love hearing stories like this about unfiltered, unfettered (and slightly insane) childhood play. Parents today don't even let their kids walk 2 blocks to school unsupervised, lest something terrible happen.

> Parents today don't even let their kids walk 2 blocks to school unsupervised, lest something terrible happen.

Though weirdly enough, they mostly aren't even worried about the real danger, cars, but about some imagined but much less likely scenarios.


The danger in that story is pretty off the charts. That could have _easily_ led to death, like maybe 1/100? That's something parents _should_ stop. It could have been redirected to safer versions, you can have a lot of fun with lower voltage DC, or at the very least safer setups.

Electrocution with mains is... actually not that common if you take care to not let the current pass through you.

I'd be more concerned about the intense UV that an arc emits ("welder's eye").


I was once playing with mains (220V) and got distracted on the phone with a friend. I literally took with each hand one cable (they were crocodile terminals) I just could not let go, the current makes impossible to let go. I reacted like 5 to 10 seconds later, by letting me fall backwards, which disconnected the leads from the plug. I was 15 or 16…

I should have gone to the hospital, but I didn’t.

So, I do bot say it is not dangerous, but it is not like it will kill you in 1ms.


I once shorted 380V with my little finger (testing industrial electric motors for overheating). It was like someone hitting the finger with a sledgehammer.

The most I ever got shocked with was 560Vdc @ 10mA I know it was 10mA because it popped the safety breaker on the lab power supply. I was testing a clamp circuit for a high power solid state RF matching network. I had been so careful the whole time using only one hand, but I got complacent for one second and BOOM, hand-torso-hand circuit.

It felt like I got kicked in the chest. Was sore for a few days after.

So lucky I was using the lab supply with a good breaker.


Oh I did not mention it, but the hands kept hurting one or two weeks after that. Really not funny. But 380v is another level of danger, energy goes ^2 with voltage!

Well it was really just the pinkie (and the arm a little bit), but it felt more like a kinetic hit then a electric-shock, pretty terrifying, the pain lasted for like a week (damaged bone marrow?)

Would have been a bad time to find out you had a heart condition. Grabbing with both hands (and being distracted) is indeed very dangerous, which is why the comment you replied to mentioned taking care. Many electricians will do small tasks without cutting off the power and it’s entirely possible to do things reasonably safely if you take some basic precautions.

I thought is needless to say that no once more in my life was distracted while working with anything above 12V... I've much more respect now.

I wouldn't let me do that now, ha ha. I could have burned the house down. (I did burn my friend's eyebrows off, but that's another story...)

Previous discussions:

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37526477 (2023-09-15, 326 points)

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35104406 (2023-03-11, 73 points)


I strongly disagree for these reasons:

- note data stored in a proprietary format

- no way to access note data from other apps/api

- no way to export in bulk, or in any other format than PDF (a terrible format for notes)

- iCloud sync is a mildly terrifying thing to entrust important data to

I use Apple Notes for the occasional quick grocery list but that's about it.


I don't get the "note data is stored in a proprietary format" hate. There's a dozen different open source tools you can find which will one-shot export your Apple Notes to markdown, when you want to leave the ecosystem. Its not like Notion where the exports are messy, non-bulk, and destructive; they're proprietary, but parseable and sitting in a file on your MacOS filesystem.

I've never had iCloud Sync display any weird behavior in Apple Notes, and I've got thousands in there. I have, absolutely, seen Obsidian Sync delete notes I did not delete, and fail to upload notes; both of these were generally remediable via their recycle bin, but still very concerning.

All of these complaints are of the nature of "I don't actually have anything valuable to write down so I'd rather worry about the nature of the tool than what I'm writing". And, to be clear, I think this is why Notion is so popular, just for different reasons than your's; it looks great, and makes you feel productive because you've got amazing cross-referenced tables and hyperbacklinks and h1h2h3s and then wait where's the content?


Counterpoint, I have seen sync issues on very popular large note, cloud-based solutions that use proprietary formats - Evernote comes to mind.

When you have tens of thousands of notes, it's hard to even know if at some point, the note has been suddenly changed, reverted, or modified in a way that you didn't even realize occurred.

With an open format, specifically a text based one like Markdown, I can sync all my notes to a git repository in a diffable manner that I can quickly review.


Notes data is stored in an open SQLite3 database as Protocol Buffer data:

sqlite3 "~/Library/Group Containers/group.com.apple.notes/NoteStore.sqlite"

This is because it needs to support CRDT style syncing.

But the schemas have been decoded so you can access it using pretty much any language.


Agee with you! I use a shortcut to send voice notes directly into Notion. I only use apple notes when I'm in a location I can't speak, and move them to Notion the next time I'm on my mac.

If you sync your notes to icloud you can bulk export to flat text files via https://privacy.apple.com/ > "request a copy of your data"

I've never experienced data loss due to icloud sync YMMV


Great points i also agree with. That's Apple being Apple. I'd want an open format for sure.

Thing about Apple Notes is in spite of the open ideals, if you're in the apple ecosystem, it's just easily there, on all devices, very unassuming and simply, and that's so so very valuable.

It's the long view that gets me. Over the last 20 years, if i'm in the Apple ecosystem, notes are there, synced across everything, and it's just text. and it's simple.


#tag support across shared Notes is also abysmal. The new tag doesn’t appear as an actual tag in person 2’s system until they ‘initiate’ it.

I tried really hard to love Notes. I wanted to. For the reasons you note, and this one, and many others, I couldn’t.


There's ways to export the notes btw, for example https://github.com/storizzi/notes-exporter

Agree on all the above except that iCloud sync seems to have been rock-solid for years now.

iCloud notes really needs a markdown mode or a non-WYSIWYG mode.

I wrote this as a simple way to block and manage the annoying monthly nags that pop up when apps request screen capture permissions on macOS 15. I'm talking about messages like

"Foo" is requesting to bypass the system private window picker and directly access your screen and audio. This will allow Foo to record your screen and system audio, including personal or sensitive information that may be visible or audible.


Up to v1.3.0 now, which has added a LaunchAgent to keep the settings updated and ensure the nags don't recur.

Update: v1.1.0 supports macOS 15.1, and adds an optional MDM profile (self-contained) to suppress the alerts globally.

So a timestamp per app bundle (name) is being saved somewhere on disk apparently. Anyone know where? Rather than muck around with my system clock (which can cause other problems I'd rather not deal with) I'd love to just poke the right values into whatever sqlite db they are probably storing this in.

What a miserable change this is. Apple is having its "Vista" moment.


Update: there's a simple unencrypted plist that controls this. Apparently "fixing" it is as simple as writing the app path along with a date far in the future using `defaults write`... eg

    defaults write ~/Library/Group\ Containers/group.com.apple.replayd/ScreenCaptureApprovals.plist "/Applications/CleanShot X.app/Contents/MacOS/CleanShot X" -date "3024-09-23 12:00:00 +0000"



This is a Python program to back up messages from a Fastmail mailbox via JMAP API to a local or network-attached directory.

Standing on the shoulders of the great work of Nathan Grigg[0], I've updated and extended it with a few new features. The README contains instructions for running it locally, or via Docker if you prefer.

Hope it's useful to someone, let me know if you encounter issues.

[0]: https://nathangrigg.com/2021/08/fastmail-backup/


San Junipero is a great Black Mirror episode that I was reminded of when I read this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Junipero


Can you please cite some recent examples of this clownlike behavior?


They harassed the OPNsense team, registering a domain to besmirch them and then pretended to have nothing to do with it until ICANN got involved

Oh, and they knowingly shipped a broken and insecure Wireguard to their customers, and tried to use their FreeBSD commit status to force it upstream


This is the most recent one I'm familiar with. Jason D even had to get involved and there was a lot of bad blood.


Try compiling pfSense.

No, here's an even simpler task: try compiling packages for pfSense.

The clowns from Netgate made it unbelievably difficult, for no good reason other than being antagonist to the open source community.


Meanwhile, I've never tried building OPN but it looks well documented and can be added to a vanilla FreeBSD install. https://github.com/opnsense/core


Out of curiosity I googled 'pfsense clown' and found this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/opnsense/comments/1ct683k/clown_mom...


I get the feeling arjvik's comment was meant to be sarcasm.


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