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Agree with all your points. For new projects hn also helped in getting early adopters & of-course show hn (feedback).

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Yeha, Show HN is a great way to get feedback and I do pay close attention to these kind of posts as well. It kind of validates the potential user interest, too.

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maybe can add export option viz to pdf

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what you need is p_slides[1] - it supports export to pdf (via printing to pdf) as well as syntax highlighting

1. https://github.com/munen/p_slides

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we just want to get browser.extension to ensure flow creation and execution on all sites. Thats the message coming from browser, we dont need browsing data neither its part of our business model.

we are considering enterprise version, private flows as well as ads for monetization.

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Uber is moving fast. Good to see them in Bangalore.

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embed script is used in this app (http://app.searchenabler.com/)

you can see flows on that app here: - http://www.searchenabler.com/faqs/

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Thank you for the example. Unfortunately I can't really try any of those examples without logging in to that app...

Anyways, I probably won't add it to my project because, while I think it could be useful, I don't really like how it looks and I think the error handling could be improved. For example, when I clicked the login button in the example you sent the guider just disappeared.

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many of the feedback which we got during private beta of whatfix are incorporated (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6019078)

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So should every startup fake their way to traction?

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There doesn't seem to be much drawbacks to this strategy.

I can think of very few startups that failed because of shady early tactics, as long as it stayed only a way to get to traction, and wasn't a decisive part of the business model. If you're small, nobody will care enough about you to learn about your tactics. If you're big, you should have enough money to rebuy a reputation with marketing/PR.

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I don't even think there's any drawback to this strategy.

Let me explain:

So $business_name faked their way into relevance, $somebody found out about it, $angry_mob_of_other_founders argue and rally against it.

Nothing of this will matter in any way cause it's almost certain Joe Normal will never ever hear the slightest about it and will happily continue using $business_name.

The only possibility of Joe Normal ever finding out is if $business_name overdid it in a way that might prompt (inter)national media to report about it or have it mentioned by a buddy to him.

Even then, he couldn't care less about it cause he still could peddle his wares on the site (or whatever), make a profit from it, and just shrug about the advice given by his buddy.

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Except for being genuine, authentic. You can't be 90% genuine - that's not possible.

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Mmm, I think you may be confusing perception vs. reality. As much as we'd like to think the two are inseparably joined and it's impossible to fake being genuine (or vice versa, impossible for a really genuine thing to be perceived as inauthentic), I don't think the facts support that idea.

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Authenticity is a brand, and you will be rewarded for it by the customer.

Honesty is a quality that can only be recognized when someone maintains truthfulness and fair-dealing when they know that they will be punished for it.

Honesty will, if anything, destroy your authenticity.

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There's a reason that modern startups are now hiring "growth hackers" unironically.

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I would't like if a startup fakes. They'd lose my credibility. However, some of the examples seem reasonable - like the case of reddit. It is more about providing value to the early adopters - clearly reddit needed more users to contribute, so no harm in creating fake users to seed the content. The example of PayPal seems bad - i am not sure if PayPal was a paid service for merchants back then, but if it was, they were just being evil.

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startup fake to build credibility. if found faking anyway they didn't do it right.

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It doesn't really work in the areas where it is easy any more. Too many people are doing it. Reddit clones ESPECIALLY do this, usually by creating crawlers that crawl reddit.

But yeah, it still works for dating sites (I know someone that started one) and the like. Normally you have to have a couple friends help you, because activity is great, but eventually people want you to jump on the webcam.

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Wait. Isn't the point that this is only for startups that need two sided traction and thus need to artificially stimulate one side?

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Or can every startup fake their way to traction _nowadays_?

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That is why it is getting crazy important to get mentioned on sites like TechCrunch, etc. It is not the best mouse-trap that wins ... just be the most known and funded one.

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If someone had seen on time.

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America, land of the free.

If a person is not sovereign over their own body, aren't they the most wretched slave imaginable? Certainly he hurt those around him, but ultimately I believe that it was his right to die in the way he chose.

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suggestion on alternative embed style sounds good. we will surely consider.

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:) we hit upon whatfix due to pain we felt while working with users in our previous product.

we are trying to keep flow creation simple, so that anyone can create new flows within minutes. you can try creating flows for your product and use embed option to add them.

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