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Clef actually doesn't require internet on the secondary device. We just shipped offline mode a few weeks ago: it's not as seamless as the primary flow, but it works well and solves the problem. Turn on airplane mode, sync the wave and let me know what you think.

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So in that mode it's a proprietary alternative to FIDO that requires a camera to image the phone's screen?

A lot of work has gone into the FIDO spec to make sure it can be used across a wide range of environments. I don't see the utility of buying into a proprietary 2-factor system that seems to be solving the same problem. If you added u2f-hid support to eliminate the hack of transmitting data via pictures and cameras, wouldn't your system behave exactly like FIDO?

Isn't the natural progression for a company like Duo or Clef to pivot to being a managed FIDO 2-factor service, for organizations that want central management of 2-factor auth without creating their own management system?

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Good stuff Jesse. Excited to see where this goes.

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Which version of Safari are you in? I've tested it in all of the latest versions, but it could easily be broken in an older one.

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Looks like it's not Safari's fault - I'm using Disconnect, which blocked the highlightjs lib from loading from yandex.st.

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Fixed :)

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Doesn't work on Lion: Safari 6.1.2 (7537.74.9)

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Haven't gotten to that point yet — I originally just set about implementing all the cards in CSS then decided to actually make it into something people could drop in really easily.

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This looks great. Doing your taxes sucks.

One completely unrelated question (and I hate to be that person on HN): is the accelerated scroll on the website intentional? It's a really good looking site, but the scroll speed makes it very hard to read.

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The scroll kind of stinks. Honestly I didn't spend much time putting it up and that's one thing that's annoyed me as well. It'll get better over time. The real focus is on the application that makes filing free right now which is going to blow people away.

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Ha I think it's a wordpress theme (if you cmd + f in the view source for the page) so they may be able to change that setting but yeah by default it may be accelerated?

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It is Startup Framework: http://designmodo.com/startup/

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agreed

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I was just sitting in the coffee shop (Awaken) and saw a poster advertising the job. Shot them an email and signed up. I think I got really lucky, but I'm sure there are similar opportunities out there.

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Awesome article!

Out of curiosity, how do you handle conflicts?

Like, say you have an important customer who wants to meet in the morning, or things have fallen behind and DEAR GOD I NEED THOSE HOURS TO MAKE IT WORK?

I'd assume lots of get-things-done-in-advance so things don't get to that stage, but if that fails and it becomes one-or-the-other, how do you handle it?

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That doesn't really happen — I deliver before most everyone else is awake and I rarely have strict deadlines where adding an extra hour (most of which I would already have to do to get to work) would matter.

The couple times that I have had to back out, I either got my roommate (and co-founder) to take my spot or my employers have been understanding.

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I've actually experimented a fair amount with my sleeping patterns. For the most part, I find that when I wake up in the morning, I feel tired no matter what (up until around ~10 hours of sleep). What I've also found, however, is that this tiredness usually doesn't translate to how I feel for the rest of the day — I feel good all day no matter whether I get 6 or 8 hours.

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Stop drinking coffee. About 7 years ago I cut out all caffeine and I've found myself being less tired and more alert in the morning. Granted there are days where I don't want to drag myself out of bed mainly when I know I need sleep, but I no longer feel like a zombie until coffee in the mornings.

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I actually only drink ~2 cups of coffee a week (one of which I'm just finishing right now at Awaken :).

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If I had access to free coffee every morning I would grab 2 cups every morning. :-)

I do get what you're doing here. By making an external commitment to people, you simultaneously get up on time to meet your commitment, feel better about meeting it, and get a little exercise. And $35 a week can pay for a round trip ticket to Hawaii at the end of the year.

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Maybe the quality of your sleep is the issue?

EDIT: OK, a lot of people talking about that below.

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I felt the same way until I was diagnosed with sleep apnea, even though I don't have any of the usual symptoms such as snoring, obesity, etc.

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I was diagnosed with sleep apnea during college, while I was my fittest. Running every day, lifting weights, etc. I felt great, besides the fact that I couldn't get myself out of bed.

I still haven't started using a CPAP machine, as I have developed other coping methods (sleeping on one side helps dramatically). I have considered doing another sleep study though, to get some more information and start with a CPAP machine for backup.

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I suggest you might want to study up the long term detrimental effects of sleep apnea. I had no idea.

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How was the diagnosis made? Did you have to sleep in a clinic, or at home wearing some analyzer machine?

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In the US, diagnosis is made in a one-night sleep clinic with an EKG and an adjustable CPAP. If you do this, make sure to tell the technician that if you register apneation, you would like a CPAP titration calibration done immediately. This saves you (a) another bad night's sleep in the clinic and (b) insurance hassles.

Then you go back to your doctor, discuss your need for a CPAP or APAP machine right now, and possible longer-term treatments.

Depending on insurance specifics, it may be much cheaper to buy a CPAP from an online source than via a full-service insurance-covered medical equipment company. Saving 50-75% is not unusual.

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I had a sleep study done. Initially, it was done as response to high concentration of hemoglobin and low testosterone. I had been really tired for so long I didn't even realize how bad it was until I had my first night of sleep using a CPAP. The only way I could cope would be to drink caffeine continuously at work just to be able to focus, even sitting while at work was too much, I just wanted to lay down.

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For diagnosis you need to go to a hospital that does sleep studies. They will hook you up with a sleep apnea machine and sensors and they will monitor your sleep overnight.

I was diagnosed with sleep apnea at around 20, which is rare for a young, healthy person. In my case I think it's just genetic because my dad has it. But I figured out something was wrong because I would sleep 10-12 hours and still wake up feeling exhausted. I wore the CPAP machine for a few years and that helped, but now I don't think I need it anymore. I sleep about 7 hours without it and feel fine.

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After I got married, and my wife observed my sleep apnea, I did a sleep study. My apnea was infrequent/mild enough that the doctor considered CPAP unnecessarily invasive/expensive.

She told me to take a sock, put a tennis ball in it, safety pin it to the back of a t-shirt, and sleep in that.

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Does that just stop you from moving onto your back while you sleep or is there some other goal?

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I'm picking that it cushions the blow when his wife kicks him. On a related note, I had a friend who resorted to using duct tape over his partners mouth. Other than being rather brutal and terrifying to see in half light it worked wonders I'm told - better than the prescription tongue depressor thing.

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Just stops me from moving onto my back while I sleep.

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It depends. For many cases, an at-home analyzer will be sufficient.

But a lot of times you'll get scheduled for a clinic anyway...

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What was the solution and before vs after difference?

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The first night of using a CPAP machine, I woke up in about 4 hours and felt like Superman. I am not exaggerating. I suspect I gained 20 or so IQ points.

After about a month, I merely felt normal, averaging about 7 hours of sleep a night.

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I've been trying for ages to sort out a good sleeping pattern that'll have me up and running in the morning. Weirdly enough, the best one I got was:

- wake up after ~6.5 hrs of sleep, use the bathroom, grab something quick to eat and drink a pint of water

- go to sleep again and wake up after ~7.5 hours

- rejoice

It's a hard one to do, and sometimes I can't fall back asleep after the first waking up, but when it works I feel pretty amazing.

Don't ask how I discovered this, I'm not sure myself.

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To clarify, do you sleep for another 7.5 hours after the wakeup, or just one hour to bring the 6.5 to 7.5?

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Oops - one extra hour. A 14-hour-long daily sleep does sound appealing in a way, though.

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Do you have a sunrise simulation alarm clock? Buying a Lumie was probably the best thing I've done to make myself feel awake. Also, put an alarm clock on the opposite side of the room and leave a piece of fruit by the bed to eat in the mornings. It works wonders.

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I actually haven't, I should look into that.

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when i sleep more i actually get up feeling more tired. in fact it feels as if my mind was wrestling all the while and has been active for quite some time.

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working on a fix, sorry! EDIT: fixed.

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What was the problem?

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I use WordPress with lots of caching and CloudFlare, but for some reason the caching wasn't working and I couldn't get it up. Had to move it to Medium and will fix the blog soon.

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OK. I work for CloudFlare so let me know if you need some help.

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that'd actually be awesome. your email isn't in your profile, could you shoot me one at mine?

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Done

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I've lived in Oakland for ~8 months and I'm yet to be in a situation where I felt at risk (disclaimer: I'm a reasonably tall man and rarely feel at risk in cities). I live north of Lake Merrit, work in Jack London Square, and deliver bagels up and down Broadway and Telegraph on my bike. Primarily traversing that terrain, I feel very safe.

That said, there are other parts of the city that are much more dangerous. I generally put these in two categories: (1) neighborhoods with a high concentration of crimes like robberies and (2) neighborhoods where gang-related violence occurs. (2) is very often a subset of (1).

I'm not an expert, but from my understanding, (2) areas are heavily concentrated in East Oakland (east of Park Blvd), so if you generally don't traverse that part of the city, you avoid much of that danger.

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One thing people fail to appreciate is that Oakland is geographically enormous. You can live here for years and fail to visit the majority of it, as I have. It's unfortunate that there's a lot of parts not worth visiting. Some parts are just brownfield industrial relics, some are just endless housing.

But you can say the same thing about SF. I doubt for example that when people talk about the hot SF real estate market they are referring to the Excelsior. If you center yourself on the SoMA area in SF, many parts of Oakland are closer to it, in terms of travel time, than most of SF. It could take you an hour to get to 1st and Folsom from 48th Ave & Noriega in SF. But you can get there in ten minutes from West Oakland.

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Yes.

They Show HN'd to much controversy [1].

Started a $200,000 'crypto challenge' [2] which lots of people hated on [3].

Then someone compromised their protocol and they gave away $100,000 [4].

[1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6913456

[2] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6931457

[3] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6936539

[4] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6948742

EDIT: /launched/Show HN/s

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> They launched to ...

They "launched" several months before their appearance on HN. Though I guess it doesn't really qualify as a true launch without a "Show HN" thread, right?

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This is actually something we thought we removed everywhere. I just grep'd our repo, found one lingering instance, and committed it out (will deploy when the traffic goes down). We understand it's deceptive and recognize the need to communicate to our users why Clef is more secure than usernames and passwords in a straightforward way.

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