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The provided link is for those with an MSDN subscription. I'm waiting for the Community Edition to appear.

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Appears to be available here: https://www.dreamspark.com/Product/Product.aspx?productid=10...

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Didn't DreamSpark used to have the Pro edition? Now for both 2013 and 2015 it's the community edition

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The Community edition is basically Pro, with different licensing. From what I understand, that's the version that would make the most sense for the target audience of DreamSpark (college students) anyway.

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Yes. In fact I downloaded the pro version about two weeks ago, so it seems they only removed it relatively recently. I hope they add pro 2015.

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No idea about Pro, but I downloaded 2013 Ultimate from Dreamspark.

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It will be available at [1] around 16:30 GMT

[1] https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/download-visual-studi...

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I would have thought that community would replace express, but there still seems to be an express edition.

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You can use Express at work (5+ devs) but not Community.

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You can use Community at work as long as you are a small enterprise (less than 5 dev) and you make less than some (huge) amount per year.

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> You can use Community at work as long as you are a small enterprise (less than 5 dev) and you make less than some (huge) amount per year.

$1 million annual revenue isn't exactly a huge amount.

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Agreed... if you have 5 software developers, and other overhead, you'll hit that while barely at a break even point. That said, the relative costs if you have that many employees is pretty small.

I don't think the break point is particularly unfair... there are lots of students, and small/indie developers that can use the Community Edition, where before you had to cobble along with the Express versions. I now use Community at home, which is just easier to deal with.

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> I don't think the break point is particularly unfair...

I wasn't saying it was unfair, just that characterizing $1 million in revenue as "huge" was, well, pretty ludicrous.

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Pretty sure if you make more than 1mil per year you can afford to buy VS. The community edition is intended for indies, hobbyists and small enterprises.

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> Pretty sure if you make more than 1mil per year you can afford to buy VS. The community edition is intended for indies, hobbyists and small enterprises.

$1 million in revenue is a very small enterprise.

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$1200 for VS professional is one tenth of one percent of a million dollars, plus you get a msdn subscription, and if you're paying a programmer more than $62400 (gross) it's less than a week's salary.

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I think you confuse revenues and profit.

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I don't think I am? There's a million bucks a year going in, and then some big chunk going out, and what's left over is profit. What I pointed out is of that million dollars coming in the door, the amount extra that would have to go out is not that much in absolute terms, and not that much as compared to a programmer.

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I'm installing it now from https://www.visualstudio.com.

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For some reason, the story reminded me of that "twins" story arc in the old Hellblazer comic series.

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Or The Venture Brothers.

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Film, please, only because I think the plot would fit better in a movie. It's like "The Fugitive" - the concept worked better as a movie than a TV show.

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Let's be clear: they were both created in the same year and the same month (April 2005). Not trying to be pedantic here.

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We make do with things like ConsoleZ/ConEmu, clink, MSYS, sometimes TCC-LE (https://jpsoft.com/tccle-cmd-replacement.html).

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I'd say it would be better to compare Kallithea with Chisel (http://chiselapp.com/), which does actual hosting for Fossil projects. I see Fossil more as a VCS by itself.

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Doesn't DuckDuckGo use Yandex's search results?

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I'm not familiar with either of them. What's wrong with using gitpylib?

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On a related note, Seinfeld mentions on Reddit the "productivity program" was never actually his idea. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ujvrg/jerry_seinfeld...

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Thanks for posting this. I remembered seeing a similar project before, but I couldn't remember the name.

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