Hacker News new | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | drucken's comments login

Note this Reddit comment by what appears to be a couple of MS devs:

(fourbadcats) Indeed. This sure better be an oversight of something not disabled when transitioning from release candidate to RTM. We will lose credibility with our customers if we claim that our application does not collect any usage data when this is going out over the wire. I noticed that notelemetry.obj is not present with VS 2015 Update 1 so this may have been introduced with Update 2. Let's hope it's gone in Update 3.

and this too:

(spongo2) Let me gather some details

However, this is definitely highly disconcerting.


The first comment, from fourbadcats, is apparently from a customer of MS (I don't know who they are), referring to their customers in turn. The second from spongo2 is VC's dev manager, my double boss. (I know very little about this topic as the STL's senior developer; this stuff is in the vcruntime layer below the STL.)


Yes ask your boss.

> We will lose credibility with our customers if we claim that our application does not collect any usage data when this is going out over the wire.

Microsoft wasted Win10 and Office 2016 already (and sneaked it into newer Win7&8 updates). It would have been such a great chance after the misguided/failed Win8, but then MS decided to add invasive telemetry and other phone home crap incl whitelisting IPs and URLs in kernel mode network layer, with no way to deactivate all of it - don't even think MS respects you as a end consumer (you are their sheep and loose control of your PC) and not even as enterprise customer nor with LTSB (except you request a custom build of the network stack).


"Keywords: humor"



The Guardian is a UK newspaper. "<num>m" always means Million in the UK, unlike continental Europe.

I agree that the continued use of the abbreviation in the article itself is bad journalism.


Isn't the key this sentence: "Wired reported the government as complaining that a Lavabit representative indicated that Lavabit had the technical capability to decrypt the information, but that Lavabit did not want to ‘defeat [its] own system."?

If they used something like Perfect Forward Secrecy, could they not legitimately have claimed to be unable to defeat their own system (as it is currently configured)?



Is that reduction in softness and use of glaring colors the default interface? It looks quite a horrible change and makes it look similar to other phone ecosystems...

Otherwise the UX changes look quite good in general.


^^well expressed stelonix.

This topic/article should have been re-titled, "Rob Pike on Why Go continues to be incorrectly marketed to systems programmers".

Go is not a systems programming language, since it gives barely a passing nod to control. Thus, it does not fall in the same core domains of C++ or C.


So, the only "escape clause" US courts have given against this kind of intrusion is end-to-end encryption, hardware and all?


I think that's a good way to put it. Yes.


"The only possible explanation I can come up with for the sentiment that the EU was "all about the single market" is that UK voters were horribly misled by their press and politicians at the time of EU accession. Is this plausible?"

This is the correct interpretation, at least as far as public polls over EU prove time and again in the UK.

If you actually combine the different responses to EU surveys, almost everyone in the UK across all factions of life, even today, mostly have interest in remaining in the EU solely for the common market, if that.

It is probably not helped by the fact that the most respected or even revered UK political leaders of the last 50 years, i.e. Churchhill and Thatcher, were extremely lukewarm about the EU project.

The difference compared to political attitudes of the public on the continent is very stark indeed.

Note. As for the European Convention on Human Rights opt-out, that is mostly a UK Conservative government/conservative media issue that they want to force through and they have had very little actual broader public debate or support. Of course, that does not mean that it will not go through eventually regardless, especially when "terrorism" is used to justify just about anything these days...


"the most respected or even revered UK political leaders of the last 50 years ... Thatcher"

Maybe in some quarters/communities. Definitely not revered or respected in some parts of the UK.


Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: