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I tried to submit this link a few hours back and it HN threw me a "Deadlink" page, strange.

> So for the author, anything that affects one ethnic group differently is racist, whether or not it is born by the data.

I would encourage to check out some of the papers at the FAT-ML workshop which was co-located with ICML. I don't think researchers are making that assumption.

In addition, race was used as an example because it is one of the sensitive attributes. The decision on what makes an attribute sensitive is based on deep discussions by society. The author of the blog post wants to communicate two points - (1) Algorithms can discriminate and (2) There is a need to understand HOW algorithms discriminate.

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These are givens. You don't create any sort of decision algorithm unless you are trying to ask the computer to discriminate. The question is, do you understand what the political perception of the eventual outcome will be?

As an overly simplistic example: someone might point out that your algorithm's negative impact applies 75% of the time to racial minorities. There will be a political shit storm if that is the end of the story. But if you can show that the segmentation is actually 99.8% people in prison, you basically prove your algorithm is politically acceptable and pass the buck of outrage on somewhere else.

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If you know what you're doing, it's engineering; if not it's science. ~ Richard Hamming

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Apparently a number of engineers I used to work with were actually scientists!

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> Telegram is not truly open source.

Here's Telegram FAQ [0]

    Q: Why not open source everything?
    All code will be released eventually. We started with the     
    most useful parts — a well-documented API that allows developers to build new Telegram apps, and open source clients that can be verified by security specialists.
[0] https://telegram.org/faq#q-why-not-open-source-everything

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Didn't see that part of the faq... it would be great if they had an ETA.

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> Could we stop talking about the fucking layout and talk about the article?

Sometimes, we tend to carry the hacker attitude a bit too far.

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> I am wondering with respect to prejudice and safety. My wife and kids are fair skinned blondes.

Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. There's nothing to worry about in terms of safety. In terms of prejudice, you are on the right side of the coin too.

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According to Singapore. A lot of crime happens and isn't reported. There are gangs and organized crime, human trafficking, lone sharking, violence against foreigners, theft, you name it. What gets reported and dealt with is a very different story.

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> There are gangs and organized crime, human trafficking, lone sharking, violence against foreigners, theft, you name it.

Sounds like most cities in the world. There's very little violent crime in Singapore though. It's 99.9% likely that you won't get mugged if you walk alone in a dark alleyway.

I should add that theft of unattended items does happen. Don't leave your cellphones or laptops unattended.

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That is very much not true. I don't think there are too many areas that are dangerous in the same sense as most cities, but there are many situations where being alone and the wrong race is not safe.

Crime is low enough that any sort of competent police work might be able to deal with it, but by and large the police don't do anything.

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> But why was this posted 3 times today?

Completely a co-incidence for me. Yesterday, I had a discussion with some friends about creative process and how I like long walks. Today, I saw this 2014 article on my Twitter TL. Hence, the share.

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India officially shut its Telegram service 2 years ago [0]. I was nostalgic and used the last day to send a few telegrams to my family and dear ones [1,2].

[0] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1018046...

[1] http://i.imgur.com/7GDi8oN.jpg

[2] http://i.imgur.com/OmAhXoB.jpg

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> When it was imagined, we called it "distopian"

I always though it was "dystopian" but your spelling made me check again. Apparently, "distopia" is used in some romance languages like

Spanish - http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distop%C3%ADa

Portuguese - http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distopia

Italian - http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distopia

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Neat. I didn't do that on purpose... I misspelled it, but I'll leave it since you have a neat point.

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It's appropriate, too, as "dis" is Latin while "dys" is Greek.

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They are two related terms A dystopia is a particular society like Metropolis in the 30's Fritz lang film film. Dystopian is how you describe say ubiquitous CCTV cameras.

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> Now if they could just learn to properly speak English.

You mean British English?

> There are whole departments in tech companies that are staffed with essentially nothing but Indians who speak various Indian languages among each other and have such strong dialects when speaking English that it is almost impossible to understand them.

Every country has an accent - US, Australia, Germany or France - each one of them have their own accent.

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I think the point was that most Indians speak in their local languages at work. Which is actually true. It can be very annoying to Indians themselves, I wouldn't be surprised if its any different for other people.

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That is indeed a valid and a different point. But, the original comment also comes hard down on accent which is too harsh IMO.

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