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Flynn cofounder here. The primary difference between Flynn and cloudfoundry, dawn, deis, dokku, octohost, openshift, tsuru, etc is that Flynn is designed to run everything itself, not just 12 factor web apps. Most immediately this means that you can run databases inside of Flynn alongside other apps. In fact we've already wrapped up postgres.

Flynn also tries to be more technology agnostic, for example we don't depend on CoreOS or Docker.

It's worth noting that several of the other platforms including Deis claim to be production ready today while Flynn is still a few months out.

The difference in both features and goals will be a lot clearer in the coming months. What we have today is just the foundation and minimum viable feature set. Once that's rock solid, the real work gets started.

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You can run databases inside of cf as well: https://github.com/cloudfoundry/cf-mysql-release

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and/or short-term salary reductions (especially for founders)

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Seems dangerously close to SparkFun (https://sparkfun.com) trademark and space. I had to look hard to figure out it wasn't a sparkfun product.

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Oh I kind of assumed it was made by the same guys actually... I remembered buying some stuff on sparkfun a long time ago and just remembered the spark part of the name.

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The core has been around for a while. Don't think there will be any issue at this point.

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Very different companies and both have been doing their thing for a bit. A small subset of people may confuse them, but it should be very clear right away from seeing their sites that one is what I'll call a "product based company" while the other is an online store.

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Awesome!

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From the CC license: "NonCommercial means not primarily intended for or directed towards commercial advantage or monetary compensation."

I'm definitely not a lawyer and would like to hear from one interpreting the license for this use case, but it sounds like that could be interpreted to mean not okay to use for a business if it generated a commercial advantage, like HIPAA compliance.

Clarification from your lawyer (published on your site) would be good if you aren't okay switching to a more permissive license.

Suggestion: name them "FREE HIPAA DOCS AVAILABLE AT [URL]" and use a license requiring attribution, should make them hard to resell?

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Ops is what you do after you write an application. Deploying it to one or more servers, connecting to databases, detecting, diagnosing, and fixing problems.

Flynn is a layer of software that sits between your application code and the servers it runs on to make all of that a lot easier, especially at scale.

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Yep, tons more, soon. For now, start here https://github.com/flynn/flynn/tree/master/demo. We're moving this and more like it to the docs.

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Flynn cofounder here, happy to answer any questions

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What exactly is it? I'm sorry, I don't think I have enough experience to understand from your website

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In the simplest sense it's an open source Paas (think Heroku), but with much more flexible technology. It's designed for ops teams who can run a single platform instead of doing custom deployment work for each application and database

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Could you explain to me what an ops team is?

Could you also explain to me what running a single platform instead of custom deployment means? A lot of solutions solve that problem. I don't understand how your product does that.

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The ops team at a company is the group responsible for running and scaling the apps after they've been written. The role varies from company to company, but in general they manage databases, underlying infrastructure, and other technology that power apps.

You could think of them as the sysadmins or IT team that powers especially public-facing services and websites. Think Twitter, HN, etc. The people in charge for making sure there are no fail whales are the ops team.

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That seems like something that should be on the website...

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Awesome, Thanks!

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Sorry to be cruel - but I really think you should cut down the usage of buzzwords and abbrevations on your homepage and in describing your service.

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Does https://dashboard.flynn.io build on top of the beta version of Flynn?

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Looks like a neat project, best of luck to you!

This is a nitpick, but it really turns me off from coming back to applications, and I'd want to know about it if I were you: after I registered on dashboard.flynn.io, neither the password remembering functionality built into chrome nor my password manager (LastPass) seems to know how to autofill your login form. I haven't looked into why that would be at all, but it's a real nuisance!

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I don't really understand this:

"Non-cooperating services often use service discovery information in configuration, such as the backends for a load balancer defined in an HAproxy configuration. A generalized configuration rendering system is used to tie service discovery into most non-cooperating services."

The problem is to generate the config file, which etcd doesn't help.

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We can use sdutil[0] to render info from service discovery into a config template.

[0] https://github.com/flynn/flynn/blob/master/sdutil/configure....

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Is ongoing development primarily being funded by your sponsors and do you have any (public) plans along other paths for the future?

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We're currently raising a VC round (we're in the current YC batch).

We've already done paid support contracts on the enterprise side and are developing the management service into a SaaS offering.

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One thing that I really like with other PasS companies is that they package that content up -- setup, architecture, documentation of a n-tier application (I am assuming you already built something like that for contracting work). How would I create a website with database and caching ect... using your services.

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Great, thanks for sharing. :)

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What is Flynn? I read the link and the homepage on my phone, and couldn't figure out for the life of me what the product was.

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Any plans to integrate with kubernetes?

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No, we have our own scheduling framework and schedulers inspired by the Google Omega paper.

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$500 for a tour of 25 people. Are there 25 people on HN who'd want to visit as a group?

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Beta's coming soon and we're still on target to ship a production-grade stable version of the major features in a few months.

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This is excellent news. Two weeks ago I looked into flynn and the various repos had very little activity compared to deis so I went with that for now.

Edit: I posted this just FYI. I thought it'd be useful to know. Perhaps this is a consequence of splitting the project across a large number of repos, where some of them don't get many commits.

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