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Are you saying Huawei will collapse if their Canadian R&D centers shutdown?

The stack is so complex now that the experience/bugs experienced are different to different users. Fun time to debug these bugs probably.

How many aliases do you have? If this is the only one, then I'll be more suspect this is a fail on your end or the guy you sent a message to.

Also, I don't see the connection to Germany?


OP here: for clarification I have "email addresses" which are <whatever>@fastmail.com (or whatever other domains fastmail offers). I then use the word "alias" for the on-the-fly alias such as trash@whatever.fastmail.com where the real email address is whatever@fastmail.com. To be clear, the email I received in German was sent to the whatever@fastmail.com (an actual email address, not an on the fly alias). The connection to Germany is that the email seems legitimate to some degree (it was to verify the email address) but it was in German and received within a week after visiting Germany. The email address was not used while in Germany and has never been put into a web form.

There are no combinations. The aliases are make-do in fastmail backend. If you have a domain, you theoretically receive all emails sent to that domain (*@domain.com)

I opened my Google account to check the model and honestly have no idea how to access it, whether it exists or not, what is Google AI, what is Gemini, what models are available, where the chatbot is, where the API is, etc..

Honestly, who is in charge of this? How do people even subscribe and make sense of any of this?


Yeah, the naming and proliferation of different tools and sites is confusing. Quickest way I know to get on any plan is via Google One at: https://one.google.com/.

I think it's sinister, but not for the reasons you're thinking. I think they're just wildly unprofitable on subscriptions. The idea that most customers won't use their full quota is plain wrong: most people are maxing out their subs, or even reselling whatever quota they have left.

When you're running something at a loss, you can mistreat your customers and they'll still stick around (I'm an example). OpenAI and Anthropic are now cheaper than Chinese models on subscriptions, while being 6-10x more expensive on the API.

My guess is they need the user numbers for the IPO and are willing to take a temporary loss in the meantime. By the time they go public, they'll either drop the subscription model or it'll turn into what the Chinese providers already offer: basically just a cap on how much API you can consume. Same same.

It's not clear what API tokens actually cost them, but I looked into running a local model, and it's way outside the budget of an individual or even a small or medium business (hundreds of thousands of dollars). So my guess is that running these models economically isn't possible, even if they're delivering real business value (coding, research, etc.). In other words, at API prices I'd just stop using AI, and I suspect most other developers would too.


> It's not clear what API tokens actually cost them, but I looked into running a local model, and it's way outside the budget of an individual or even a small or medium business (hundreds of thousands of dollars). So my guess is that running these models economically isn't possible

Datacenters have massive economies of scale. Everything from cheaper electricity to having specialized, more efficient hardware to simply being able to run it continuously at near-100% utilization, all adds up.

Many things in the economy - most notably, manufacturing of most consumer goods - only makes economic sense once you're producing for/serving millions of people. This is not unusual.

> In other words, at API prices I'd just stop using AI, and I suspect most other developers would too.

Many say that, but I sincerely doubt they'd actually follow through. People might get more conservative about how they spend their tokens, but AI today is just too good at eliminating drudgery and boring / bullshit parts of daily work to give up on merely 3-5x price increase.


> Datacenters have massive economies of scale.

Sure. Issue is, no one is providing on how much it actually costs to burn these tokens. And as we don't know, we can only speculate.

> Many say that, but I sincerely doubt they'd actually follow through.

I have a $100 open ai sub and I track my token usage. Last month I spent roughly $2.600 in equivalent API usage. There is no way am paying that. I let my $100 sub lapse if next month I'll be using it less.

Look, I am not saying that there isn't a potential value out there. But the cost has to be bounded. If your opportunity is $1.000 and AI costs $2.000 to execute it, then you don't have a business model here.


> Sure. Issue is, no one is providing on how much it actually costs to burn these tokens.

You can assume Openrouter open-model providers serve at or above margin, because there's no branding so there's no reason to do it unless you can be profitable. If the Anthropic models are anywhere in that ballpark, they're very comfortably profitable on API.


> I looked into running a local model, and it's way outside the budget of an individual or even a small or medium business (hundreds of thousands of dollars).

That is a big exaggeration. You can have a perfectly usable local LLM setup that will power your agent for single digit thousands of dollars. Can even power multiple agents simultaneously, depending on the hardware and setup. Won't be fast and won't be frontier intelligence, but definitely useful.


Any model running on "single digit thousands of dollars" hardware will either be below SOTA (even for local models) or not even close to fast enough for real-time agentic work. Even the latest so-called "flash" models are large enough that doing real work usably with those on a lower-cost platform is at least dicey. You can fire off non-interactive work and do especially simple Q&A/chat (which is vastly more token-efficient than anything agentic - though even then latency will be high for anything genuinely SOTA) but that's about it.

They would have recharged the reserves if that was really the reason and they would have readied themselves to the upcoming closure. They didn't expect the strait to be closed and got caught with their pants way down. Using the SPR is just another sign of how incompetent and out of options they are. It was already on a low level when the war started due to the previous withdrawals from the Russian war.

When Microsoft did that there wasn't really any competition and they were also the cheap option. I don't think they would survive if there was a sufficiently good chinese OS at the time.

CEOs only job is to raise the stock price. They are doing just that and right now the way to get people to buy into their stock is to instill fear into them that they need to buy the AI-stock for their safety. There is no "bigger conspiracy" out there and also no AI to kill us all tomorrow.

This has been that way in Silicon Valley since the very beginning and there was even a documentary about (the SV HBO series). The tech made along the way is just a side-product.


> they need to buy the AI-stock for their safety.

But this is wierd: How shall I convince one to buy a product if I say "it-is-dangerous"? :-D


They are probably caching the answers. AI-answers are most likely never going to be profitable even with a smaller model.

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