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I've just come back from Europe (Spain) for the the first time with my operator and their new free roaming plan - it was amazing.

I pay Three £15 p/m for unlimited data, lots of intra-Three calls and some messages/calls to other networks (in the country I'm in at the time) and can now do that not just in the UK but in Spain, the US, Australia and more (http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home). That's cheaper than most local operators and a much better example than whats offered here.

I'd wager it won't be long before Three sims are being picked up by tourists and used as their main operator back at home.

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Yes, the Feel At Home from Three UK feels like the future! The experience is very, very good - invisible.

Assuming you are visiting one of the 16 destinations they cover, you don't need to do anything. No signups, no opt-ins, nothing. You just go and use your phone like you would in the UK.

I also never felt that they were throttling the connection in any way, but I never really tested this.

Plus you don't even need to be on a monthly plan, any PAYG has all the same benefits.

Edit: Added reference to PAYG.

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Same here, I was just in Europe for two weeks across four countries with absolutely no hassle using this Israeli provider: https://www.golantelecom.co.il/web/plan109InfoB.php

Its £16 (€23) per month - you get 6GB of data good in most European countries and for some reason South Africa, New Zealand, and Australia. Afterwards it just slows down, no insane roaming charges.

You can also reserve local numbers in most of those countries for a small fee to go fully native but I just used Google Hangouts/Voice for the odd phone call/text.

Your plan and mine seem eerily similar so here's hoping more providers start white-labeling this deal.

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I'm using Three too with the same plan, but when I'm in a Feel At Home destination, I still pay if I send a texts to a local number. It is not included in my general texts allowance. Am I doing something wrong?

The data itself is free though, which is the most important for me. It is definitely better than having to go to a phone store and get a cheap sim.

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Yes, this is annoying. However the fees are way less than calling from UK->country.

EG: when in the UK calling the US costs 56.2p minute, which is a complete ripoff as it should be cheaper than calling a UK mobile (virtually nil cost to do these calls). However, when actually in the US it's 15.6p. Same price differential for SMS.

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Feel At Home basically means that your mobile will act the same as if you were in the UK.

Sending a text from the UK to a (for example) Spanish number incurs a cost outside of your allowance. So that same text would also incur a cost when you are in Spain.

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I've set up Google Voice -> US SIP -> UK SIP -> 3 Mobile. This gives me a US number to give out to Americans (who don't want to dial my UK number) that they can text/call. I can then make calls when on Wifi or using a Phonecard app which automatically dials my UK SIP and forwards the call via the US SIP provider. I don't have to switch SIMs or give up my UK number.

This works well for me (since I travel between the US/UK often)

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Can't you just use Google Voice on Three's 4g connection/Wifi to make/receive calls/texts on your Google Voice number using Hangouts?

What's the purpose of the two SIPs?

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Three doesn't have any 4G when roaming, and the 4G isn't that great even in London (compared to say: Vodafone).

Texting with Google Voice is fine though.

The two sips are registered to the same installation of asterisk: The UK provider gives me a UK number and rates equivalent to a UK landline.

The US provider gives me a US number (which is registered with google voice) and rates equivalent to a US landline.

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As I understood what I was told by their support, if you have a text or call allowance, that is used against local numbers too.

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When in the US, I found I have to disable "automatic" and force AT&T -- using T-Mobile blocks data for some reason. I don't know how to configure my iPhone to just block the provider (so I obviously have to disable it when returning to the UK or Europe).

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I've had the same experience, AT&T works very well though.

I just got back from the US to a message that said:

Great news! You’ve saved £1,489.55 over the last month while using your phone abroad...

Why they wouldn't improve the UX for such an amazing feature isn't hard to figure out...

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I found the opposite, AT&T sucked but tmobile was ok.

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In my experience (as a domestic user) both AT&T and T-Mobile can be acceptable or can suck, depending on exactly where you are in the country, and sometimes even within a city or suburban area (for example, in the city where I used to live T-Mobile sucked at home, but was great at work, while AT&T was exactly the opposite). Those nice homogeneous-looking maps of "coverage areas" are lies, to a very large degree. :-)

If you're traveling for work, maybe ask the people you're working with which carrier is best at their site.

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>I'd wager it won't be long before Three sims are being picked up by tourists and used as their main operator back at home.

There is a maximum of 3 months you can use it abroad a year

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So disappointing. This is such a lovely piece of software and such a shame corporate greed is halting the progress of innovative software.

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At the speed we run, it would make no difference I would imagine. The benefits of shaving your legs only really come into effect for cyclists at the pro level ... those of us who can manage a steady 25km/h see far less benefit.

I always thought it was an urban myth that it made you go faster, and that the real reason was that road rash was easier to treat.

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I am not a competitive cyclist but remove the hair on my legs with a depilator in the Spring because my leg pelt retains too much heat in the Summer. There is a noticeable improvement in cooling after it is done.

While not the most pleasant process, it avoids stubble and the delayed regrowth means the new hair is sufficiently long to begin providing warmth just in time for when cooler Fall temps arrive. I always considered that to be the real reason why the pros do it with road rash being of secondary concern. Those with shorter leg hair just went along and copied their hairier peers.

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Subtitle taken from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10975625/Did-TomT...

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It's against the HN guidelines to editorialize in titles, even when the editorialization was done by somebody else.

This one was particularly bad because the submitted title ("Did TomTom founders just kill the postcode?") caused the post to receive a barrage of user flags.

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Ah. That makes the title+link less obnoxiously self-Betteridged, but still obnoxiously Betteridged.

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"I'm just astonished that an MP appears to have been so ignorant of the law of her own land ..."

You don't know our MPs very well do you ...? I'd say this is pretty much par for the course. The only laws they know anything about are loopholes.

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I'm assuming you don't live or visit the UK often, as that poster is everywhere and is used in various forms by huge numbers of companies. There is absolutely no political subtext to its use anymore.

It's a meme, the equivalent to using a cat image.

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I live and work in central London.

Having seen the poster everywhere for a while now, it has been hard to avoid learning a bit about the image's history, including the recent hilarity with the EU trademark ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8785585/Battle-rages-over-Ke... ) and the image's organic growth in popularity from 2005 ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7869458.stm ).

I think it's funny to see people use things in apparent ignorance of their historical context; for example I was totally bummed that http://www.gophercon.com/ wasn't about the protocol.

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    people use things in apparent ignorance of their
    historical context
The people behind the Go language are definitely aware of the gopher protocol.

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A meme that Tumblr uses pretty frequently, at that.

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It's actually pretty damn common in the US these days, too.

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I'm not an accountant (about as far as could be from it) but in a discussion with an accountant friend of mine he suggested that there really is nothing that can be done about these avoidance schemes. He posited that the only real way to ensure all tax is paid for is to have no 'income tax' and then add a steep tax (30-40%) on everything that people buy. It seems like a hell of a large percentage to add on to everything, but then at least all money spent in a country would stay in the country.

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Interesting that this is written by one half of the Analog Folk/Fictive Kin co-op.

These guys are responsible for Mapalong, a (formally great) mapping service that they abandoned early last year and for which they ignore any requests for exported data (I've been asking for a .KML file for a year to move my points somewhere else).

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Mapalong is still in private beta, but it's otherwise alive and well. It's a huge bummer that you think otherwise. I'm sure you're not alone.

We have had to pause development, but not only is your data still there, you can still use it. New users can't join, but that's about it.

As soon as we're able, we want to finish it and launch it. As part of this, we'll make sure people can get their data out in useful formats. (Perhaps a GeoRSS feed per URL? A KML file per user?)

I genuinely respect you for holding us to a high standard, but I think it's a little unfair to criticize us for an unfinished app.

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I'm sorry if you feel it's unfair, but it's hard not to jump to such conclusions when the Twitter account is dead and nothing (visibly) changes.

It would certainly make people feel better if, with slowly progressing software, it was made easier for these testers to feel like they could properly test such software with the full knowledge that they can get their investment out in the form of a reasonable export function - they are after all providing a service to you by testing the software and providing feedback.

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It's cool. Like I said, I'm sure you're not alone.

Also, you make a very good point. We never expected to have to pause, but we should have put more focus on making sure people never felt their data was trapped, even in the very beginning.

In fact, you've managed to convince me that proper data export should be the very next feature we add.

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The 'old DN icon' ... http://thenounproject.com/noun/newspaper/#icon-No6346

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If it's the best example he found to justify the takedown notice, it was really not a smart move...

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Huh? Not the same.

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That's the point…

'He kinda copied it, so we slapped him with DMCA. We kinda copied a free icon, but it's okay.'

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Did he "kinda" copy it, or is it a copy? The two icons we're comparing here are not copies. They are markedly dissimilar.

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Well, LV said 'They even managed to kinda lift the old DN icon :)'

Don't know if 'kinda' is being used to soften the accusation or it's not a straight up copy - I can't see the icon they are talking about.

http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/

Edit: Found them and slapped them together for side by side comparison http://imgur.com/rli5IVU

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They've been posted upthread, and they aren't copies.

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Now I don't know what icon is in the Flat UI pack, but to cite the DMCA's icon as being 'kinda lifted' from theirs[1] when it is so similar to a number of CC-licenced icons on The Noun Project seems like a poor argument in my eyes.

[1] http://imgur.com/3zoKuvH

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If the Flat UI icon is as different from the Noun Project icon as DN's is, Alan at LayerVault will be equally wrong.

They just aren't the same icon. The visual metaphor all these icons rely on is decades old. It's the details that matter.

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I think you are hitting the nail on the head - with styles/aesthetic arguments like this, when is it a copy? Adding a leaf of paper into the icon? Colouring it in? Adding a line of faux text below the faux image? Which came first? Which was the origin?

My only point was that when you are getting hammered by people and the evidence you provide is that, it looks poorly thought out.

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What evidence? What am I missing? Does someone have a link to the Flat UI icon he's referring to? The impression I got from his message is, Flat UI included a verbatim copy of the DN icon.

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"... they even managed to kinda lift the old DN icon ..."

I think you misunderstand. I'm not arguing as to whether the Flat UI guys copied them or not, but like the larger argument, the icon he is putting forward as copied work is itself conceptually very similar to other existing icon work(s). As a designer I would be more than a little miffed if that design appeared if I had created the Noun Project's version and not openly licensed it.

If that is the case, it somewhat undermines the claim that the assets are fully owned by them or even that ownership can be so quickly claimed.

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Similarity is completely irrelevant. If we independently arrive at the same original work then that is not copyright violation. That's not what copyright is about. We then each hold the copyright of our respective works, even if they're completely identical (in practice it will probably be hard to proof that you didn't just copy the other work if they're really identical).

IANAL, but that's what I was told by a law student.

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That's the impression he wants you to get, but you are being deceived by his misleading wording. Flat-UI's newspaper icon is different than the DN icon.

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I see that now. Thanks!

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Here's the comparisons.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5332635

It's certainly not a verbatim copy or even close.

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Agree! Thanks.

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Note that the matter of the "newspaper" icon is not the reason for the DMCA request, but a sidenote.

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Designer News icon: http://imgur.com/a/H3zlP

Noun Project: http://thenounproject.com/noun/newspaper/#icon-No6346

Flat-UI's newspaper icon: http://i.imgur.com/9TKbKNl.png

If anything, the Designer News icon is much more similar to the Noun Project's.

All of these icons are similar to innumerable newspaper icons, including several at the Noun Project alone.

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I agree.

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Yeah, that's a pretty strange claim. Same concept, but completely different details.

There might be some ground for trademark infringement if the original icon was important, but no way is that a copyright issue.

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What he's claiming is not the perfect copy of the shape, but the style. It's a clear "copy" too, very very similar. In the end, if you change a pixel from that you can make a "not the same" icon, don't you think?

We can discuss on how many differences but it will end on nothing. I can express that, 2 o 3 differences are not enough to claim "different" and you can claim than 1 will not be enough too.

To me, they're clearly wrong. But if the guy copied the art and pasted it, that's another story.

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