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I deleted my original comment and the response to your reply; upon review I found them not to lend anything helpful to the conversation but rather to promote argumentative behavior.

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I believe this to be a misunderstanding of the press out for W8. They are simply promoting the fact that you can now have HTML+JS+CSS as first-class apps. They don't seem to be deprecating support for native or .NET based development.

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I have had my new Macbook Air for about 3 weeks now, I am primarily a Windows developer. Let me tell you something, after 3 weeks with Lion (with VMWare Fusion for Visual Studio) I am fairly positive I will never buy or make a PC again.

I cannot explain this, these are things I never thought I would even think let alone say. The laptop boots the Android emulator and runs eclipse much faster than my primary pc which is a i7 tri-channel w/24gb ram.

The gestures and infinite desktops on Lion make it so much more usable than a default Windows machine or any other Linux variant I use.

I just wanted to chime in since you said >decide I didn't like it or Mac

Which, trust me, if you care about productivity or are amazed by superior resource management, not liking it would simply be an unjust bias coming to fruition.

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> The laptop boots the Android emulator and runs eclipse much faster than my primary pc which is a i7 tri-channel w/24gb ram.

Which is... odd. I bought an Air in December, and stopped using it (gave it to a family member) because I couldn't stand how slow it was compared to my hand-built Windows desktop. I'm talking ~10 seconds after waking from sleep before it would even recognise that I was typing on the keyboard, and persistent beachballing whenever I had too many tabs or a VM open (again, for Visual Studio). The gestures were nice, but they're nothing my multi-button mouse didn't solve.

I'm not saying your experiences are wrong, but... it's strange to see someone make the same transition that I did, only to have the opposite result.

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Does your i7 PC have an SSD drive in it?

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Yes, although it isn't the fastest possible. I don't notice a huge difference between the SSD in the primary PC and my 10k RPM Raptor I used to have as the OS disk.

I am not aware of the specs of the SSD in the Macbook.

This is exactly what I suspected was causing the perceived boost though.

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Does your primary PC have a SSD?

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Interesting header, but why would anyone want to cause someone else so much trouble trying to release a product?

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It's just a throwaway scenerio to wrap around an interesting problem...

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Do you find it a normal use-case to have 40+ tabs open in a single browser window?

I only ask because that seems like it becomes unusable ~20 tabs, maybe this is heavily subjective but I cannot maintain anywhere near that number of tabs in a single browser window.

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I rarely have fewer than 40 tabs open... I usually have about 80-110 but I would like to bring it down to about 60 or so though. Tree Style Tabs makes it easy to gather up tabs but when it comes time to delete them I hesitate or they're hidden under a top tree node where it would take too much time to clean it up.

I think I just found an extension that could replace Tree Style Tabs. I was looking for something like this last month didn't see it. This puts the Tab Groups in the sidebar. .

Pano: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pano/ https://github.com/teramako/Pano

What I like about this extension is that the tree would only allowed to get 1 level deep. With Tree Style Tabs, many tabs I don't want anymore can hide under a top tree node. Also, it looks like it will play well with Tab Mix Plus and I can keep the top tab bar.

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Honest question -- why?

The only time I have more than 2-3 tabs open is when I open a bunch of articles at the same time (like on HN), to read through one-by-one, closing them as I go along.

How do you keep track of all those tabs? Why not just use bookmarks, open what you're interested in, and then close it?

I'm sincerely interested in this from a UI point of view...

And if your interest is speed in visualization, if the answer isn't a special list of sites that browsers might pre-render in the background, so your favorite sites always "loaded" instantly?

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I have tons of tabs open mostly because I hate the back button. Every time I open any new page it goes in a new tab. Any time a page will be relevant for more than the next five minutes, it gets moved to the front or back of my list (depending if it's for business or pleasure). If it might be interesting, it floats in the middle, otherwise it gets closed.

Admittedly this is probably a strange way of working with the web, but I like to be able to easily find things that I've been working on recently. Only at the end of the day do I fully scan through my tabs and bookmark anything I'll need to reference later.

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My pal has this usage pattern, as well. Seems nutty to me, but it goes to show everyone has their best way of working.

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My primary complaint about Tree Style Tabs is that the nesting gets unwieldy. I have been meaning to check out Vertical Tabs (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vertical-tabs...). It's by the same developer who made BarTab. Some of the reasoning behind it is explained here http://philikon.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/tabs-tabs-tabs/. It similarly limits the tabs to a single category. I'll have to try out this Pano extension too.

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I sincerely did not know about the tree-style tabbed browsing feature. I attribute this to my initial apprehension in adopting tabbed browsing to begin with, thanks for the info!

I also think this has a lot to do with browsing style as well. For purposes like my own I rarely need to have more than 5-10 pages actively open. I make extensive use of bookmarks and generally group my tabs in separate windows for organization purposes.

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With tree-style tabs (a fantastic Firefox extension) opening large amounts of tabs becomes more common because you can manage different lines of thought, and everything else sort of collapses down. I commonly have about 100 tabs open.

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I could understand a tree-style view to help categorize, I will have to check that out as it sounds very nice.

I was asking from a perspective of standard tabbed browsing that doesn't have a form of organization like this; IMHO under such circumstance so many tabs would be unmanageable or confusing at very best.

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Wow, I've seen some sensationalistic articles before but this one is pretty sweet.

Let me see if I can recap on the main points.

1) There supposedly is software that doesn't appear to exist anywhere outside of a research lab.

2) This software as written doesn't actually do what it is reported nefariously to do because it is bugged.

3) It clearly declares the capabilities it intends to use to the user via a standard install screen which can be declined.

In summation, there may or may not be a program somewhere that isn't currently functional and of which the true intent is unknown.

If the above is accurate then I might have reports of thousands of trojans across various operating systems, or maybe I don't, who knows!

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Applaud

You've successfully made me laugh-out-loud. I was thinking the same thing, but probably could not have made it sound as humorous.

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> Yet in our own democracy

We are a republic, not a democracy.

Edit: I don't know why the down votes, this is a fact, not an opinion.

http://thisnation.com/question/011.html

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There are many true facts that are not important or relevant to the subject at hand. This strikes me as semantic quibbling, and slightly deceptive in that the term "democracy" is used for more than just direct democracy. That definition completely ignores the idea of a representative democracy. But I'm jot sure it really matters that much to the bigger picture which is more painstakingly accurate.

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My guess would be that the downvoters believe your comment adds nothing of substance to the discussion (though it appears to be up to positive score again).

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It's not a "fact" since, as your link acknowledges, it's nothing more than a pedantic and rather archaic take on the word "democracy", as if only the Ancient Greek view of the world matters. Here's a modern definition http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

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I've heard that before and I'm genuinely curious. Why does it matter?

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A democracy is mob rule where minorities can't win unless they persuade the majority. A republic (we're a democratic republic) elects a moral governing body (congress) to make informed moral decisions. Only part f their decisions are based on the whims of the public. In theory, the rest should be based on expert witnesses from all sides of any issue (hence why people testify in congress). This allows for immoral majorities to be shut down and vice versa.

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Only 5 different ways to do this?... that sounds like the most concise thing in ALL of PHP.

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I have never once gotten the browser version to work on my Chromebook.

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This is just a side note, but how many non-tablet devices do you see sporting Android or BlackBerry OS?

Just saying in this case comparing only within the confines of the phone market share makes perfect sense.

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"Android Pummels Apple and Blackberry in Smartphone Supremacy Race" is a bit disingenuous when you look at periods when apple did not release a new phone (when most of their sales occur) nor compare the actual platform (iOS) which all three providers now have a tablet form of (Playbook, Honeycomb, iPad).

I find it histrionic and misleading. It's saying "Guy murdered in knife fight" to find out the one guy walked up and stabbed him during a short afternoon nap, and oh, he's not dead, just still in bed.

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Verizon started carrying the iPhone in February, so there was a fair bit of time till this data was compiled. I'd be surprised if there's a change in direction the next time data is released.

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They picked the period right AFTER apple released a phone (verizon iPhone4) to look at growth. It's cherry picking of the worst sort.

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