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This is just an ad hominem.

Address the content/message, not the speaker.


I agree with you about ad hominems but unfortunately your account has been using HN primarily for political/ideological battle, and also is arguably breaking the rule against trollish usernames here (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...). I've therefore banned it. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future - they're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. If you want to do that, we'll happily rename your account to something less trollish.

(If you didn't intend your username to be trollish, I apologize, but I'm seeing signs that other people are taking it that way.)


This is pretty lame, given that there's a good amount of users who are basically only commenting to say "capitalism bad, mhkay", yet for some reason that's not "primarily for political/ideological battle".

Applying rules evenly makes the rules seem better.


We've been applying the rules evenly for years, or at least have put in years' worth of effort to do so. The problem is that no matter how evenly one applies the rules, people with strong ideological passions still feel that we are biased against their side and secretly favor the other side. I think this is because everyone is more likely to notice and place greater weight on the cases that they happen to dislike.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870

If you're aware of accounts using HN primarily for ideological battle who we haven't asked to stop, the likeliest explanation is that we haven't seen them. We don't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here. You can help by flagging such posts or, in egregious cases, emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...


I find the "both extremes are mad at me so I must be doing something right" defense not really useful, as it really doesn't say much about how evenly you apply moderation. You could be a hair's width away from being a fascist, and some full on fascist would complain that you're too left wing, and both a centrist and a leftist would complain that you're too right wing.

I don't want to complain about people doing it (but I have commented on it, and taken the punishment), I'd just prefer the moderation to be "either there's none or we keep our hands off".

I understand that it's not an easy position to be in, as you have to keep people happy, and enforcing the rules sometimes doesn't vibe with everyone, but I do believe that Facebook got that right (one of the few things!): if you say that you can't make sexist comments, you also can't make sexist comments about men. Twitter and Reddit got that wrong, and I believe you've got it wrong as well, as you'll ban someone like the person here, but you wouldn't bane someone who is the opposite.


> "both extremes are mad at me so I must be doing something right"

I haven't said that and try to be careful never to imply it. Rather, my point is that these complaints about moderation bias (which come in from all political angles) are so isomorphic that there must be a common mechanism underlying them. (People sometimes interpret this as an argument in favor of centrist politics but that's a misunderstanding. It's an argument about social psychology on the internet.)

> I believe you've got it wrong as well, as you'll ban someone like the person here, but you wouldn't bane someone who is the opposite.

That's quite false—we've banned countless accounts on both sides of that divide—so I think you're kind of making my point here. You've assumed something that isn't true, for reasons that have nothing to do with our actual practice. Moreover the users with opposite politics to yours make exactly the same false assumption, just with one bit flipped.


I'm sure you've banned others, too. I read with showdead on, and I'm seeing a pretty clear bias in who's banned and who's not. Sure, it may be that right-wingers just can't behave, and I certainly see some of those. But others are perfectly fine comments, and checking their comment list, they write plenty of those, yet they still got banned. The communists don't get banned, and I can't recall seeing an obviously left-wing comment that was reasonable (aka not "you and all other rich people should be shot") and dead by default.

Maybe there's a secret part of HN where they're posting and they're all banned, but I doubt it. Your house, your rules, but it certainly looks like these rules are a bit bendy, and having banned some crazy person with a Bernie quote on his profile makes you believe that you're applying them evenly when you also ban someone like this here, who just comments from a somewhat right-wing position and is rejected by some part of the community because of it.


Can you link me to specific examples of accounts that you think should be banned and haven't been? or of accounts that have been banned, which shouldn't be? I'd like to take a look.

I'd also look at links to specific comments (i.e. dead and shouldn't be, or live and shouldn't be). But that's less relevant because we have to evaluate these things at account level, not post level. For example, banned accounts can post good comments (and we hope users will vouch for those - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cvouch, and we unkill them whenever we see them), but it doesn't follow that the account should be unbanned. That depends on the overall behavior of the account.


I can't imagine how anyone thinks that HN has a left bias, I've seen open transphobia that doesn't so much as get flagged, when doing it on even centrist platforms would earn you a permaban.


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First of all, I'm sorry I didn't know my meme!

Second, you've linked to a photo that says something about Netflix, Twitter, Airbnb, Apple, Stripe, Lyft, Google, Salesforce, Facebook, Tesla, eBay, PayPal, and Microsoft. It's not clear to me what that's supposed to have to do with Hacker News moderation.

It's not at all true that ideological battles are fine here for one side but not the other, as anyone can see for themselves if they want to look back through the thousands of moderation comments I've posted. You feel that way, not because you're perceiving moderation accurately, but for the same reason that led https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35238927 to say "Literally anything left-of-right-of-centre immediately gets flagged (if not outright banned by the mods)".


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> 95% of HN is comprised of people that work in the same or similarly biased companies

You don't know that and I don't believe it's true.

Your example is cherry-picked. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34625001 is by the same author on the same topic and spent 12 hours on HN's front page.


It's hardly widespread, but it's absolutely happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moWe3rk7LzQ


It happening in rare instances isn’t sufficient for the OP to claim “we aren’t allowed to clap at events because clapping is too violent”.


I was replying to this statement, "They made it up."

They didn't make it up, proof was provided that they didn't make it up.


They made it up, because we are certainly still allowed to clap at events.


White liberals are the only demographic with an out-group bias, and women rate higher in negative emotion, so this makes perfect sense to me.

out-group bias: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1074524252638982144.html


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but it seems that only happens at the cost of shitting on people who are like them. Who would have expected this could lead to depression?


I don't know how you leapt from the only group with a negative in-group bias to wanting to expand the in-group. Hating yourself isn't intrinsically inclusivity.


Not all leftists, though, based on the link.


DRINK VERIFICATION CAN


Serious question: Did you play the Diablo IV open beta weekend? (It's live for 4 more hours).

I did, on my Windows 10 box. The issue isn't random games that no one would ever have optimized, the issue is bleeding edge games that most people want to play, and play right now.

If you didn't, can you? If (the royal) you can't, get started in the time remaining, download speeds allowing, the year of the Linux desktop isn't here.


From the great grandparent - they did play the Diablo 4 beta on Ubuntu.

>And the kicker? Blizzard's recently opened beta of Diablo 4 just worked. As in, I clicked install, clicked play, and it just worked. Perfectly. As if I were still running under Windows. I've never before seen such sorcery.


At the cosmological scale, stars are dust.


I thought that at any scale, that they were atoms. Or quarks. Or quantum fields. Or whatever.


I mean does it mean it's accurate information? Could be a repurposed copy of some other document. Maybe they wanted it to be written by DV-3 and it didn't pan out, but they continued using the draft document anyway.

I know from personal experience that I've had draft documents that were WILDLY wrong before I published to anyone but myself. Whole sections I just went back and completely deleted. In fact my senior project paper (LaTeX) in college had a whole section with big ASCII bull taking a shit on a paragraph because it was some work I'd done that didn't pan out at all. I left it in the source because I found it funny. lol, I found it: https://i.imgur.com/6Oj64AV.png

This was before I'd ever heard of a VCS system. Subversion 1.0 was released 6 months after I graduated, it turns out. So commented out code and multiple copies was all I had.


HN is exactly as wildly biased as all the other big tech sites.

It pretends to be unbiased but it's not.

You'll be flagged/banned for pointing this out.


What is the alleged bias? Anti-cop? Anti-home invaders?



Sure. Big tech is in California. California leans hard left. Ergo employees at big tech lean hard left.

That bias still has nothing to do with this thread. Did you just bring it up on a whim?


The smug sanctimony in this comment reeks of "reality has a liberal bias".

To everyone (the majority) outside of your filter bubble, what you're pretending isn't there is obvious.

You're fooling no one.


>The complaint says Foreman also “created dozens of videos and images of Plaintiffs’ personas and posted them on various social media platforms including Facebook, YouTube, Snap Chat, TicTok and Instagram.”

HN title is wildly misleading.


That is just additional information that didn’t make it to the headline. Other facts not included in the title is that the cops took his money and didn’t give it all back. Instead their review stated that they miscounted the money when it came in…


We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong.

System is totally broken.


They're not suing him over the footage. They're suing him for publishing it all over the place in an attempt to monetize it.

You don't have to be on the cops' side to see that the headline is ridiculously misleading.


So? He filmed it in his own home. What rights should he have over footage from his own private space when others invade that space without invitation? Should a store or homeowner have to get permission from criminals who rob them to show that footage publicly?


I'm talking about the headline being misleading, not whether he's in the right or not.


Good thing there’s a whole article there to read and other articles as well, so you can get all of the details from a source more plentiful than a headline.


Thanks for conceding I was correct.


I don't think so. The HN title accurately describes two events that occurred.

The most easily misinterpreted part of the headline to me is it says "US police" making it sound federal. It's a county sheriff's office in Ohio.


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