... long before those thirty years, someone who thinks he is a great manager may take over the steering wheel (he or she). And things are ready to start from the beginning.
Im my group, we have another flavour of not finishing things: managing by whatever is in front of the managers mind and declare it highest priority. This is the best way to work hard all the time and get nothing done at all.
Well, we all read peopleware a long time ago, all except of the managers.
Anybody here, who has a good idea how to handle these traps?
Bane of my existence for the longest time. Eventually I learned to just ignore those managers. They're too chaotic to remember whatever I was supposed to work on for them anyway.
It is. I've had a few managers where everything we all tried to change change were fruitless. The only solution was to either antagonize until things got out of hand, or to ignore.
> I like to confront, discuss and get things improved
That's a good initial starting point. But I've also learned that there comes a time when expending any more of my own energy fighting such people is no longer worth it.
> incompetent managers
In my cases, it wasn't incompetence but rather character. You can have rational discourse with incompetent people. You can show them why they're wrong. You can't have a reasonable discussion with someone who's own mind jumps from high-priority to high-priority, wanting everything yesteryear but isn't willing to put in the actual resources to get things done.
I've dealt with too many managers like that to expend much energy on it anymore. Mind you, ignoring them should be a last resort, but given enough experience with such managers, you learn to quickly know when you're dealing with one.
I'd much rather spend my time making customers happy.
You have many good points. And they match my experience. I'll try with less persistence.