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[flagged] Goodbye?
245 points by throwaway_norep on June 5, 2015 | hide | past | favorite | 114 comments
I'm at a crossroad. I either kill myself or I find some kind of way out of here. No matter the choice, thank you HN. So far, you've been the cornerstone of my life.

I've been through some rough times and luckily made through (with lots of help).

The general feeling afterwards was that my perception of reality had been totally limited to the issues in front of me, and that life was bigger than just that.

For me, it's a process of learning to distrust my negative emotions. Afterwards they always seem unfounded.

I don't know anything but your situation but, based on my own experience and that of others, my advice is to take it easy, slow down and dial back your expectations about whatever is that you have/had high expectations. That will clear your mind and you'll be able to see better soon.

There is a practical exercise I do while driving. As almost everybody else, I don't like to stay behind slow/unsure drivers and that gets me really stressed. While I'm stressed, I try to think "I do not want to be in front of this driver, the few seconds this will get me will not be worth the amount of trouble I'm having (or will have)." I'm essentially trying to remove that desire from the situation, then everything is okay and life moves on.

Relax, take it easy, it'll pass and you'll learn. My best regards.

"For me, it's a process of learning to distrust my negative emotions. Afterwards they always seem unfounded."

This is very important.

"For me, it's a process of learning to distrust my negative emotions. Afterwards they always seem unfounded."

OP, take a step back and focus on this.

This alone.

"The general feeling afterwards was that my perception of reality had been totally limited to the issues in front of me, and that life was bigger than just that."

This, it has been the similar case with me. I really thought that my life is completely ruined, with no chance of saving myself. People I trusted told me how fucked my future is if I don't do anything to fix it. They called me a monster for doing things they don't expect anyone doing. My parents believed that they must have fucked up my upbringing somehow.

So I spent my last day, said good bye to all my friends. Had my last lunch, and then went to kitchen to end it all. In my head I have clear memory of everything until the moment I picked up the knife. After that, I don't really remember much, but I didn't do anything.

It would be hard to believe but I was in sixth grade when this happened, and all the stuff I was talking about were my grades(and the monster thing was my parents caught my masturbating).

Years down the road, when I got my first beej, I looked back and realized man I am so glad that I didn't kill myself, and if it ever comes down to another moment like that, there's no way I am ever killing myself.

Lol, ok so I am sure the adult me's rationalizations for living life are a lot different than that of a horny 18yr old's. I maybe embarrassed to think that there was a time when I thought life is worth living, if only it means I could get laid once more, but I am not ashamed of it. However, I am ashamed of thinking that life isn't worth living when I thought bad grades meant end of my life.

These days, I use a simple trick or process whenever I continuously revaluate my life. Everytime I see someone with my background or someone I can connect with, get into deep shit, I put myself in their shoes and think "if I was Ross Ulbricht, would I not think that life is worth living?", "What reason would I have to live if I got sentenced as much as Aaron Schwartz was facing?", "What if I was trapped on WTC buildings, with smoke coming out of everywhere, would I jump?", "What if I had inoperable cancer and I was gonna die within next few months?".

It is one of the most cathartic measures you can take. Every single time when I think of myself in the shoes of these people, I realize that I wouldn't kill myself no matter what. I would write books from prison, communicate with the rest of the world through letters, if I ever went there for doing things like Aaron Schwartz or Ross Ulbricht. If death seemed close then I would take those last moments of my life and all the moments which gave me pleasure, I will go through all the cherished memories instead of taking the quicker way out.

I don't know what you're going through, but the sheer fact that you made this post means you would wanna read the comments in this thread before you quit. You made a throwaway because you don't want people to infer your real identity or judge you while you're alive. I also know that other comments which simply say "call hotline" would barely convince you to call the hotline. You made a post on HN, this IS your hotline. Telling a HNer to call suicide hotline is like telling a Linux user to call tech support line.

BUT, here's one suggestion I can make. If you do call hotline or make more posts or talk to other people, you will get the same pleasure as you did while reading responses of this thread, except you can talk in more detail with them and be more specific. I promise you that it would be more fun than this thread.

Please don't kill yourself,

I don't know your situation and I don't know what you're going through and I can only imagine the pain you feel right now. The funny thing about life is you never realize how much you were loved until you're laying in your casket. I only say this because I am one of three and both of my siblings have passed at their own hands. My eldest brother battled demons unknown to us and took his own life and my youngest brother was bipolar and self-medicated to deal with it and accidentally overdosed. I know this may not seem important at the time but so many people loved them and they probably never realized and I'm sure their are a lot of people that love you.

It is your choice and like I said I don't know what you're going through, suicide isn't right or wrong, it just is, but it is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Please don't do this. I'm listing my email below, If you see this and would be up for talking I would love to. I can give you my phone number as well if you'd prefer the phone or if you're close to me we can go get some coffee. Hang in there.

dave.jdough [at] gmail [.com]

Seconded. Please don't kill yourself.

If you want someone else to talk to, you can reach me at mikestimpson [at] yahoo [dot] com. Be aware, however, that I don't always check e-mail every day on that account. If you don't get a reply right away, don't take it as rejection or as a sign that you're worthless. You're not - I'm just bad at promptness.

Messages like this restore my faith in humanity. May everyone be so blessed as to have such a great community of caring people to reach out to in time of need -- it is a real privilege.

1 (800) 273-8255. Call this number. They are the national suicide prevention hotline. The are lovely people. They've heard it all. I've called them several times over the years. It's hard to talk to them, it might be a few minutes of silence. But it's worth it. They are there to help.

You're making the first step in the right direction. Seeking help. To be cliche, it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Life sucks a lot sometimes. And sometimes we need help to get through the worst of it. But keep fighting. You're worth it.

Don't kill yourself.

Get in contact with someone: http://www.befrienders.org/need-to-talk

And if you feel like it tell us what's up.

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline Phone Number 1-800-273-8255

There is always a way out without killing yourself. Whatever the other path is, however emotionally difficult it may seem, is better than killing yourself. Talk about what you're feeling, call a hotline now. It gets better I promise. If you have anyone in your life, think about how it will make them feel to lose you, don't put them through it.

If you're in the US (or even if not if the 800 system works everywhere I think) don't hesitate to call right now and talk to someone who is ready to hear you.

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline Phone Number 1-800-273-8255

Here are several other countries hotlines if you're somewhere else or feel more comfortable sharing how you feel in another language.


Hey! Been there. You are not alone. Nowhere close, that's just how depression makes you feel. You're already reaching out, that's great, keep reaching and while most people won't get it those of us who have been through it will recognize where you are and some will reach back. That's how we got out, and some day you'll be the person who's reaching back and trying to help people get through it.

First, and most importantly, if you're _very_ depressed you may need help to break through the veil of darkness that's surrounding you. Peace and happiness are still in this world and their seeds are still in your heart, but depression is system of barriers that you may need very real and tangible help to break through. Sometimes our minds malfunction a little bit, it's in their nature.

If you love HN maybe check out the vlogbros 3 minute talk on perspective and depression[0]. It's the nerdiest account of depression I've ever heard. They also have a crash course on psychology[1] which might make psychology less unknown and therefore less scary if that's maybe a reason you're turning to us instead of a psychologist who is probably better equipped to help you (I'm only guessing based on reasons I don't go to the doctor when I need to.)

[0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ooCeoh6608 [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo4pMVb0R6M&list=PL8dPuuaLjX...

How could I forget Hyperbole and a Half's classic post on depression? If you've ever felt depressed and like nobody understands, or if you've ever struggled to understand somebody going through depression, read this web-cartoony thing: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013/05/depression-par...

Suicide hotline: 1-800-273-8255

To get help via SMS, text "START" to 741-741

From one person with suicidal thoughts to another: please don't do this.

Something to think about: If you're really sure that your life is not worth living, then I suggest trying a different life, rather than no life at all. Another location, another career, another group of people to surround yourself with. Being a bartender on a beach in Thailand doesn't sound so high pressure, and should give you lots of time to think.

I don't know much about your situation, and maybe Thailand isn't exactly the answer, but if you're to the point where you're looking for escape by death, why not instead try finding escape by physically escaping to somewhere new?

Hey, friend, no. Just don't. I have no idea what's going on in your life, but don't. I have been there, just trust me, it will pass. Just focus on taking it step by step, living day by day, just survive and wait, it will be worth it. I guarantee you there will be time you will be glad you've waited, even if everything is shit now.

Future will be very interesting, you'll want to see it, you'll just need to be there to see it. For now just focus on surviving and waiting and find any reason to go forward.

Even simple/silly ones, like watching the next episode of Sherlock that comes out in 2016, or finishing a good book.

Watch some comedy. Watch Louis CK, watch Bill Burr, watch Community. To me it really helps, even when things are really bad.

Elon Musk will put people on freaking Mars. Self driving cars and robots will be everywhere. Medicine will make amazing progress to fix our health problems. You'll just need to be there to see it, to be a part of it.

Computers will kick ass, scientists will make crazy discoveries. You will find things worth caring about. You will have cool people in your life too, just hold on.

There are people like you, there is a place where you belong, there are things worth living for.

Also when things are bad your brain just gets into a bad place, and a lot of these thoughts are caused by chemicals. Things may seem hopeless but after some time your brain chemistry changes and you look at the same situation very differently, even if it doesn't seem real to you now.

You will find your way, it will get better. Right now - don't be hard on yourself. Just wait and hold on.

Email me at raymestalez@gmail.com if you'll need to talk.

came across this quote once, and got stuck to my mind for life. Hope this quote inspire you.

if you have courage to end your life, what else you are afraid of? why not you continue to live on to see where's tomorrow got for you? - [1] anthong wong

original quote 你连死都想了那还怕什么,敢死不敢活啊?你就活下去看看明天是怎么样

[1] [chinese][video] http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/UVCLmDVwT_A/

This is powerful, thank you very much for sharing it.

It's going to stick with me, for sure.

This is what I don't understand as well. I'm sure there's a feeling that things will never get better, but for the people who're considering suicide because they lost their job/they're in debt/whatever external, why not just pack up and leave to a distant country to start a new life? There's literally nothing more final than killing yourself, so why not just give starting a new life a shot?

Please don't.

If HN is a cornerstone for you, please let us help you.

I live in upstate NY on a lake with trees and quiet. Want to come hang out and rest your mind?

EDIT: Full disclosure, the DSL isn't great, but we have LTE. I have a lot of books. 30 somethings who enjoy BBQ's and movies.

I've been where you are right now.

When I was still in college I travelled to and from my home by train. I know now, with the help of a psychologist, that I was suffering from a depressive period during that time.

I had arrived on the station, and I saw that my train had just left. That was almost the last straw for me. My memory of this day is very fuzzy, but nearby a jamaican-looking guy was blasting reggae music from his phone speakers, and people all around me seemed so busy with their lives. I felt invisible, like I wouldn't be missed. I tried to make eye contact with the people passing by, but nobody seemed to take notice. I then turned to the schedule to see when my next train would arrive. Instead I noticed that an intercity train would be passing through this station. While the trains do slow down when they go through a station there's still plenty of mass and speed left to kill you, I knew. I left my bag on the bench I had been sitting on and was mentally preparing myself to take the jump when the train came.

I guess I wasn't ready to do it yet, because the train came and went and I hadn't taken the jump.

Now, some time later, while not cured of my depression, I'm feeling better. I never told anyone close to me about that moment, though I did seek help after this. I also quit my study, since that seemed to be the root cause of the extra stress on top of my depression. I've found full-time work in the tech industry, and I've settled in quite nicely.

I'm glad I did. Because while I'm still not the happiest-camper in the world I've also not reached the point again where I contemplated leaving it. These days I look upon it as an anomaly in my mood. I don't feel all that good every day, but it's bearable.

So my advice to you would be to wait it out. Don't trust the feelings you have right now, because it really is only temporary.

"These days I look upon it as an anomaly in my mood."

OP you can get there. ^ did. I am getting there every day. It is an anomaly in your mood, it's not forever, and it's not the end.

If it all doesn't matter anymore anyway, then you got nothing to lose. Find (psychedelic) shrooms somewhere, eat a portion, and reconsider your choice after your trip.

It saved my life.

I ate mushrooms once while depressed and saw devil faces on everything. It didn't help.

Needless to say, this is bad advice.

I ate some psychedelics once while depressed hardly (sometimes it went into strong panic attacks), it was worst trip I ever had. I was just had to wait when it end up. But when it was gone I finally realized a lot of things about myself, about my life. It was clearest moment, like puzzles finally formed, everything became understandable. Like I was holding my breath all time and finally exhaled. I understood what it was destroying me inside and throwed it away. It just saved me a life.

Oh for sure it left me with some lessons about myself after the fact. But in hindsight I wouldn't recommend it to anyone unless they have a very seasoned therapist present (not just a sitter) and plan to go fully medical with it or not at all.

Blech. Read about set and setting.

Sometimes the _day_ that you feel most suicidal is perhaps not the time to engage with psychedelics, but if you can peel yourself up a little, it can offer great perspective.

Medical is scary to me honestly. Psychedelics shouldn't be so clinical, and fearing them is only fearing yourself.

That said, they're not for everyone.

Best answer on here. Good on you for sharing. I would add that taking a shroom trip when you are disturbed is not recommended, but maybe with a friend it might be better.

No, it's quite a long way away from "best advice here".

I feel a bit silly posting a comic, but at one point i discovered it while feeling really down, and i found it very encouraging. I apologise if it doesn't resonate with you, i don't know what you're going through.


TLDR: speak to someone, get help -- there's a silly social taboo on expressing depressive feelings, but there are many many options available. People who are willing and more importantly able to help you.

I don't know you, but like the others here have said, i guarantee that there are people who love and appreciate you, even if we're only talking about potential future new friends you will meet if you stick around here :)

As you can see from this thread, many people here have struggled and made it through, and you aren't alone. Please listen to them. Please also find someone specific to talk to. I'd be happy to do that, if you want; write hn@ycombinator.com and I'll send you my personal email and we can discuss whatever you want. But please talk to someone. Help exists and it really is possible to heal, despite what inner torment tells you.

Call a suicide hotline, there are people there waiting to help you.

Find a way out, use your creativity. The pain you feel now can be a powerful motivator to radically change your situation.

Don't kill yourself.

Call a suicide hotline right now: http://mefiwiki.com/wiki/ThereIsHelp

Don't lose hope, there's ALWAYS somebody out there to help. Talk to others, call a help line, something! Going at it alone isn't your only option.

Suicide Prevention Lifeline:



DON'T PLEASE. You have at least 3 million people to meet and help you. Contact me if you want to stay home someday https://www.couchsurfing.org/people/imton/

Feel like telling us your story before you go? Perhaps give us a chance to change your mind?

This. I'd love to hear your story.

Echoing jgrahamc - don't do it.

Find someone to talk to:

http://www.7cupsoftea.com/ http://www.befrienders.org/need-to-talk

We're here too, if you'd like.

I've experienced this sort of feeling a lot. It's not something I like to talk about with professional colleagues because I am the guy you expect to be more reliable than you, and if I am sometimes curled up in a depressed ball unsure if I want to keep breathing, how can I be more reliable than you?

Don't do it. You reached out, that's good.

What really got me out of the habit of thinking this way - basically a huge distraction from the things you need to do to make yourself happy - was to try and imagine if there was possibly a way to disappear completely without making the lives of the other people I know worse.

I will say, in my early years in San Francisco as a student, whenever I felt like there was absolutely no hope, I would take a $2 train to the beach, take my shoes off, and walk the entire length experiencing how small I am and comparing my relatively insignificant problems to the vastness of the ocean.

Unfortunately, we can't all have that, but everyone can go outside, stop listening to the same music or whatever over and over and just watch a squirrel climb a tree, two ducks fight over a piece of bread, talk to a homeless person.

And whoever's actions you feel are linked to the way you feel right now, surgically remove them from your life.

Every time I haven't ended my life, I've had the opportunity to experience amazing things that I couldn't even imagine.

The crossroad is an illusion. If you attempt and fail - the most common outcome - you could find yourself further burdened.

Listen to some of the people that are reaching out here.

Sometimes I've felt like I've had crossroad moments for a major part of my life, stuck with deep paralyzing fears because of stupid things I've done.

Find someone to talk to, preferably a professional that will let you talk it out without it spilling into your personal life (guilt about burdening my family and friends was a major impediment in getting help).

Even though it allowed me to cope and have a professional life, one of the worst things I ever did was to learn to hide how hurt I was. Talk to someone about what you think are the consequences, the worst aspects. Let yourself cry and feel stupid, it's alright. That crap builds up inside you and no matter what, you don't deserve it.

And if necessary, consider getting some medical help as well. I have been on anti-anxiety and anti-depression medications ever since I found my father dying from a brain hemorrhage and I couldn't get him to help quickly enough to save him. That event broke me, but I had been building the tension inside for decades. The drugs don't really fix things for me, but they have helped with some of the debilitating physiological aspects, take help from any corner that you can.

This is the perfect starting point for an adventure... something about nothing to lose... Go somewhere warm and cheap on the other side of the world with a camp stove that can run on gasoline (it can be hard to find white gas sometimes) and see how far you can go.

That's what I did when I wanted to die.

One way to rephrase this is... why commit to a one-time decision when you might be able to run away and never look back? -- reinvent oneself in a new land.

Few legal constructs cannot be run from. Few legal arrangements cannot be undone. For those that cannot... run!

... just considering this possibility is often enough to give you the strength to keep fighting through whatever current situation or struggle you find yourself in.

Please call a suicide hotline!


If you are looking for a sign not to do it, this is it, DO NOT DO IT!

When interviewing people who tried to kill themselves and didn't succeed, 99.99% say that they regret it and that they would not have done it again.

I was suicidal in Silicon Valley, having just been fired from my dream job at Stanford.

I'm still alive, and I'm glad that I am. My life is still pretty wretched, but my perspective is different. My misery isn't any less, but I'm out from under it. It's no longer crushing me and I can observe my misery with some detachment now.

I hope that you manage to get out from under your misery. Don't let it crush you.

I'm in the same position as you. I felt hopeless. I felt like there's nothing I can do. When I close my eyes, all I could see is my hand holding a knife, stabbing my heart, over and over. I am heartbroken and I just want the pain to stop. I don't care how.

I don't know what is going to happen in the future, maybe I'll take my own life one day. But for now, I just want to help myself. I wanted to help someone like myself. I'm not good at anything other than making an app so currently, I'm writing an app that I think would help me get by.

I hope the app that I made will help people like me. People like you. If it even save one life, my life would be complete.

Wait! Advice here (perhaps even in my comment) might seem emtpy and distant, as I don't know anything about your situation and your crossroad decision, but it is just a humble attempt to express my empathy and offer help.

I've got a list taped on my wall with some things that I need to do daily to improve my life - apparently I need the reminder. Of this list, I hope that some of the following things help you to "find some kind of way out of here":

* get out in nature

* spend time with family and friends

* get enough sleep

* exercise

* talk to a human being

* meditate (or pray)

BTW, "Goodbye" comes from the term "Godbwye", a contraction of the phrase “God be with ye”. That's my prayer for you.

There's a lot of posts on here with suicide hotlines - please call them. Once you have, give me a call: 949-521-4954. I'm not a mental health professional or suicide prevention expert - just a random engineer who loves this community as much as you do and wants to make it better.

I should be around most of the day.

I've attempted twice in my life & I'm extremely glad now they both failed. Dealing with PTSD from multiple Iraq tours plus subsequent drug abuse left me pretty low. But life picks up if you keep moving forward. It may seem simple & cheesy... But in the end everything will be ok. As long as you're still breathing... Everything is ok. You can come back from anything but death. I'm not saying it won't be miserable for a while... But it will always turn around if you will it to.

This article [1] by Christina H I read on Cracked some time ago saved my life when I was about to off myself due to severe depression--I hope it can somewhat be of help to you and anyone here who's also currently at the crossroad. (EDIT: the comments are also great read)

Live on, buddy. You can make it. You're worth it.

[1] http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-tiny-things-that-stopped-suici...

Please, please don't do it. It'll be the best news I'll have all day if you post that you won't

Tim Ferriss' practical thoughts on suicide: http://fourhourworkweek.com/2015/05/06/how-to-commit-suicide...

Dear You! Don't kill yourself. This one thing we all cannot escape, it's true. But don't rush to it. I've got diagnosed mind sickness which is commonly reffered as "depression". I live in constantinous fear of dying. I was once in point where i was so afraid o death I wanted to kill myself. Then it hit me - killing myself because of fear of death is... illogical (yeah, I know - weird, but hey - this is HN, you get it...).

I didn't believe in medicine, psychiatrists and all "you can live with that" crap. Yet, i went to doctor. I went to therapist. And for about five weeks it was hell. I was affraid more than before, I was so narrowed my vision was almost all blackfield with small, foggy point of view. This was hardest thing I did in my grownup life - endure it.

Guess what - it got better. No, my life hasn't changed a bit - my credits wasn't payd off, my fears didn't vanished, I still had to go to work every morning and I knew I am going to die one day. BUT - and this is most important thing - MY PERSPECTIVE CHANGED. I know I can face all this.

I don't know anything about You. I don't know what had happened to You. Yet I know one thing - you always have a choice. Yes, on the one hand - you can kill yourself, BUT! - on the other hand - you can live. I won't tell you - think about others before you harm yourself. This is bullshit, when you are facing live-or-die choice. In death we all are alone so we can think only by ourselves. So I'm asking you, begging you for real - think about everything you are. You are far better than you think! You are the only one in the world!

You managed to make someone laugh, you did good in your life, you faced tens and thousands problems and won over them, you can do something no one else can do in a way no one else can replicate (even if it's eating a cookie with knife and fork), you have dreams that are waiting to be fulfilled, you have so many tortillas to eat, you can become millionare in a blink of an eye, you can meet love of your life, you have all your life waiting for you.

Please - choose yourself living. God be with You.

Hey hey, there's no rush to die! Could you to share any more details/background about your situation so that we can share common stories, advises, anything that could help you find a way to ease your demons?

My own take: life will end by itself naturally. Compared to the long time that we will be dead, any pain we endure during our lifetime is just a tiny blip. Not worth the energy to make it even shorter.

Also second the mushroom suggestion. Not that I personally would be interested in that, but the point is: if you have nothing left to lose, all sorts of opportunities open up that you wouldn't have otherwise.

Impossible to know what could keep you attached to live. Personally I'm curious to see all the new technological developments.

"Don't do it" and "Call a suicide hotline" have both been said. Good advice on both counts.

In my experience, everyone who said "Don't do it" is in a better position than I was in. A person with a problem will eventually solve it, or not. A fundamentally flawed person will have only have more problems, generally of the same type, again and again, forever. It's easy to confuse one situation for the other. Most people are not deeply flawed, they're normal people who are temporarily overwhelmed by normal problems. Anything they say to you probably won't resonate. Advice from those who have plenty always has to be filtered through a lens of "easy for you to say".

The only honest thing that can be said in this situation is to evaluate your life with clear and unbiased perspective. Are you a normal person who is going through rough times, or are you the kind of person that, for whatever reason, genuinely has no hope? The latter group is very small and if you're in it, you'll have known it for a long time. Odds are that you're better off than the truly forlorn, and you don't need me to tell you that because you already know it. Count your blessings and try to picture a better life.

I'm sorry if my candor offends some people, but life is too short and we're too smart for platitudes. I hope that you get through this.

Why don't you tell us your story?

There's probably nothing I can say that will change your mind, but if you are really at the bottom, one way to look at it is that there's no possible way but up. I think a lot of people have been at the point you're at now. The one thing I think most people won't actually admit is that it's the one truly defining moment in their life.

I genuinely hope you make whatever the right choice for yourself is. If you need someone to talk to, don't hesitate to let me know.

Finding some kind of way out of here holds way more interesting possibilities than killing yourself. The world is big and varied, and lots of it is interesting and enjoyable.

The moment when you were sure it should be over will look strange in retrospect, and you will be most grateful for even little things you decided to stay around for: the first day of summer, what happens in the new episode of Empire, etc.

Once you get out of there, you might think you would even want to live your life locked inside an empty room for the rest of your life, because even that might be infinitely better and more worthwhile than not living at all.

Best wishes.

I am not sure in what situation you are, but before thinking on what you think is the problem, check if you are completely healthy. Even when we think that the situation is crystal clear and we have tried everything and we have all the control over everything, please keep in mind your mental health is tightly coupled with your body's health. The picture is not the same when seen from a different perspective. Even if you do not feel pain or anything you can suffer from something you didn't know and it changes the only thing you trust - your brain. Do not be in a rush try everything in this life and take most of it.

I will always remember a phrase from a movie, where a little girl (suffering from a serious disease) was asked "Do you know what happens after life?" and she responded "There are many different ice-cream flavors that I still haven't tried, I want to try as many as possible when I still have the chance. Then one day I will understand what happens after life - that day will come anyway."

Go get an icecream and see what you can try tomorrow! Be healthy, stay alive!

Most folks here tell you to wait because it'll get better. Sometimes it doesn't. I attempted suicide last year due to health problems. I still have them to date and in fact a few are added to the list. However one thing has changed: my tolerance for pain and suffering. It may sound cliche but we can be much more strong than we think we could be. We just need time to adjust.

A lot of people have already talked to you, and I'm only coming to this thread from my HN Daily digest. If you are still around and would like at least one more piece of input, I will say this: for me, one of the things that helped me was to realize that death (and by extension, suicide) freezes everything at its current state of lack of improvement, except that it causes a ripple of rather devastating negative effect upon anyone who ever was in contact with you, proportional to how much they cared about you.

Life can always improve. It has. It will. Through your own efforts or those you love. I am a few months shy of 41, and there are things I am on the cusp on that I truly thought would never happen throughout much of my 20s and 30s.

I give you four words, more true than anything else ever spoken: Depression lies. Anxiety lies. You cannot trust what they say to you.

I hope that you are still around and reading these words, even if you do not respond to anyone.

I won't presume to tell you that you've evaluated your situation fundamentally incorrectly. If you've come to this point, I doubt that hearing "there is always hope" is going to sway you. Personally, I think you have the right to make whatever decision you like about your own life.

BUT: I know from my own life that it is easy to forget about the value of keeping your options open. Death really is permanent, and always available, so there is rarely a need to rush it. All kinds of unexpected good things really can happen... and if not... you can still kill yourself later.

SO: I'd suggest you make sure you adjust your thinking for the likely bias that you are undervaluing the option-value in all the unexpected good things you can't specifically imagine right now. If you have even a little uncertainty on this point... better to wait a bit and see, no?

You may be in a terrible situation right now and feel absolutely trapped but by the time I'm commenting here you already have 51 other comments and 79 votes on here of people supporting you. You can get through this crossroads. People are willing to help you. Accept the help and suggestions here.

> or I find some kind of way out of here

This is a better path to try first. How can we help?

What's the biggest problem, what types of solution can you see that remove that problem? Assuming you are allowed to do anything, e.g. move to another country freely, become a farmer or charity worker, live with distant relatives etc.

Don't let the world stress you out like that.

Imagine in a few months how looking back you'd feel you were too extreme.

People say that it gets better. And sometimes it does. But usually it doesn't. The graph for the suicide rate monotonically increases with age. The older you are the more likely you are to kill yourself. In other words it tends to get worse.

You can take this as an argument to do it now and avoid the likely future suffering. But I interpret it differently: It means that if you are going to be one of the minority that gets better it's up to you to take action. Continuing down your current path is a recipe for suicide later if not now. To escape that you need to deviate from the standard. Do whatever it takes to break out of your rut. Even if it's scary as hell. Because any risks in making big changes are likely not to be worse than death.

That realization can be incredibly liberating.

Been there myself in the past. Still struggling with depression.

The only advice I can give you is to give yourself some time. Really think about if you want to do this for another 24 hours, or a week, or a month, depends you how long you can bear it. Play a videogame or do whatever you like, get your mind off your problems for a bit (preferably not with alcohol or similar things) and let your subconscious mind work. When the timeframe you set yourself has elapsed, reconsider. Is it worth doing it just now? Is there stuff you might still want to do in your life?

Keep in mind, you can always kill yourself when the pain gets too heavy, it's not a decision you need to rush.

I don't know if that works for you, but I'd say this has saved my life in the past, just knowing that you can always end it.

Wait. I'm sure in a desperate moment you see no light ahead or way out, but this moment will pass and your urge will go away. Please talk to someone, look for help, professional or not. Just talk to someone about these feelings. "Nine out of ten people who attempt suicide and survive will not go on to die by suicide at a later date" (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/surviv...), which shows that what seems like an existencial crisis tied to your identity is often an acute crisis tied to current circumstances, which can and will go away. Please wait.

While it is certainly within your rights to end your own life, the desire to do so often arises from life transients or changes.

Also, not to criticize, but if HN has been a cornerstone, you might want to look into a wider variety of building materials. HN isn't bad, but compared to the wide gamut of life? hardly a comparison.

Anyway, I know it's not so simple, whatever your reasonings. I've been there and I've talked with friends who were where you are.

If you lack a social support network (like I do) I really recommend getting a psychologist you can trust; huge in understanding thoughts and feelings.

But I hope you find that with some better coping mechanisms, life is easier to manage, and you'd be more up for living it than ending it.

What are you thankful for? Take a deep breath. Breathe in. Breathe out. What is going right in your life? Breathe in. Breathe out. Focus on the positives. Breathe in. Breathe out. You're alive. You're loved. Smile. Breathe in. Breathe out.

I don't know you but please believe me - I care for you and want you to be happy. And there are a lot of people like me who would do a lot for you.

Reach a suicide hotline. Let us help. The world will be less if you leave.

Please don't kill yourself. Try not to think of it as an option. I can not better "gtirloni"'s comment. But I am trying to make an effort to let you know that there are many out there who care for you and your life. If you recollect there must have been many instances in the past that felt like there was no exit, but somehow you fought that battle it all worked out and then you moved on. So this one will also go by and you will be fine, but please don't loose hope.

call me at +961 71 371133. i'm no organisation, i'm just an ordinary person like you. So if you feel like talking to someone give me a call anytime.

Jhon 3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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I saw this quote today, a reminder of my own struggles with depression: "If you’re going through hell, keep going."

Keep going, op. We're here for you.

Get in touch with somebody that can help you:


Echoing so many others here. Please don't kill yourself. I've felt this way. You will endure this. Call the suicide hotline, a friend, a loved one, or one of the many other resource people have already posted. There are people in your life, both here and IRL, that love and care for you and will help you.

The world is better with you in it.

Have you tried it all yet? I doubt it. Don't end life. There are beautiful things to live. If your life is too much for you, change it. Don't end it.

Change career if need be. Change country. Change friends. Change. Did you ever visit another continent? Take time off. Better than taking life off.

Dont know which stage of life you are in but an easy way to hit reset is to go back to university in a new city and forget about the past, during kick in you will surely find new friends, student dorms are cheap, no boss to report to, you will learn new interesting things.

there are great things ahead for you that you haven't considered yet! Call a hotline NOW.

If you're reaching out you must have some will to go on. I think a lot of people on this thread have given good advice. If you're in the Bay Area I would be happy to meet up for coffee and be a sounding board :) Email is in my profile info.

I've been in your position a few times. Take it easy. Step away from your computer, get outdoors, go for a walk, hop on to the first bus you see, go for a ride, watch other people live their lives, and when you finally feel better, go back home.

Computers can suck sometimes. Maybe stepping away from them for a while might be helpful.

way i think of it is that its in nature that anything that has a life in it does what it takes to continue its life. there are reasons to want to die, but even while dying (no matter the reason) your soul will continue to fight to live.

I believe that you're not going to commit suicide yet, since you're at crossroads, according to you.

If you believe you will find some way out, you will find some way out. So, believe in yourself.

Good luck!

a friend of mine did the do recently, we were all pretty pissed off, me more so cuz i flew my wife across the country for a wake, and i didnt even get my lockpicks back. anyway, they were fairly close, it really hurt her as a friend, so if you are looking to hurt someone, hurt me instead dude, i will give you my d0x and you can call me and harass me to your hearts content, and give me grief about my (1).

Sending you positive energy. We all face that kind of thoughts on day. Life is yours; make it beautiful; pain won't last! I swear, believe me!

Don't throw away your options by doing something terminal about a temporary problem. You're here for a reason. Ask for and accept help.

If you have nothing else to live for, then you have nothing to tie you down.

Instead of suicide, try completely changing your situation. Move to a new country.

Don't do it, even if you think you have to!

don't kill yourself. You are at a crossroad right now, could you elaborate more. Sometimes suicide is the only solution but your mind is not seeing other alternatives, can you let me know what is troubling you that you can't find an alternative other than suicide. Your life is precious so please let us try to give you alternatives.

Whatever you're going through; "this too shall pass".

That is applicable at any time in your life. Things will change.

Please hang in there.

Please create a reddit throwaway and post your thoughts on /r/Buddhism.

Edit: why am I being down-voted?

Before drastic action, I recommend living a month away from the environment that engenders these feelings. It's a plane ticket and extended hotel stay away. Don't go thinking you must come back. Go looking for excuses to stay.

I hope this little sliver of advice can help. Good luck, from all of us who've felt pain. You're not alone.

Talk to us! We give solid advice for better ways out of all kinds of bad situations.

"When one realizes that his life is worthless he either commits suicide or travels." go somewhere, do something. message me if you would like need some ideas.

Lot of people commit suicide when they travel. You are a away from home, lonely, no support system. I think travel is great but not always a answer for suicidal people


thanks for the fascinating article. I agree, it is not always the answer. Travel may be an opportunity to get a whole new perspective - like realizing your own value in helping less privileged people, or seeing opportunities that you may not have come across in your own town or country.

Really ought to delink this one; not sure it's appropriate for HN, and there are plenty of people already here who will keep the conversation going if OP wants to talk.

I know I don't come to HN to have to think about mortality, and for folks who might actually be hurting, seeing a post like this might trigger some nasty memories or feelings.

My step brother, for example, killed himself, and now I'm having to think about that in the middle of my work day, when I was really just looking for a brief distraction...

Given the prevalence of anxiety and depression in the industry, I really don't think delinking this post is the answer. This person is likely amongst those "who might actually be hurting" - try some compassion, it will do you good.

It's reasonable to think that the person you're responding to is also in the "might actually be hurting" category, suicide of a family member is generally traumatic and life changing. We can show them and OP compassion at the same time.

'Nice' means we just do what they say and delink the post, 'kind' means we try to understand where they're coming from and try to help them understand that while we value their opinion and input we also value this discussion.

I'm just saying that there are lots of people here already doing the 'kind' thing, so maybe it's about time to do the 'nice' thing for the folks who haven't been burdened by this yet.

> Given the prevalence of anxiety and depression in the industry

That's not true, I don't think, and your dispassionate "grow some balls" comment at the end is pretty ironic and certainly hurtful. :( I hope I'm misunderstanding what you meant by that...

I am very far from dispassionate on this subject. Like the OP and many of the other people posting, I've struggled with severe depression and I know from personal experience, talking with many others in the industry (specifically in SV) and talking to people in the medical field that there is a lot of anxiety and depression around. I am very sorry that you've experienced the loss of a family member, and I didn't mean to be hurtful. I simply meant to say that, in my personal opinion, delinking the post is not helpful as it simply papers over a problem which exists.

I'm sorry about your step brother and understand how pain can flare up like this. But please don't take this argument further; it only makes things worse. Let's apply the principle of charity and assume that the GP didn't mean to hurt you.

Think about your family and friends

That doesn't work.

Staying alive for others while you don't want to live only makes matters worse.

Live because you want to, not because of what other people want.

If you have loved ones, that suggestion can work. If you know your (x) loves you, then you think about the pain they will feel when you're gone it can sway your thoughts.

Or it could just add the the guilt that a person feels and make suicide more likely.

We know that telling someone with a phobia "don't be scared of that thing" doesn't work.

Why do we think that merely saying "think of your family. They love you" will be effective?

It can work, at least for some time. And that time will often be enough to get them past the immediate crisis.

Thinking of family and friends may be related to the distress that our friend finds unbearable.

I've been suicidal. Thinking of friends and family helps keep me alive. But everyone's not like me.

There are ways out, trust me, you will find them. I honestly think that you could use this moment to just forget how your life has worked so far, and try to look at what your future might be. If you don't feel like talking to someone, I think your best friend might be a book. I would recommend Letters to a Young Poet by Rilke

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