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I'd agree, but its so very, very common to mansplain womens' complaints as trivial ("self-entitled spoiled brats") while men in the same situation would have their response interpreted with some kind of respect.



>but its so very, very common to mansplain womens' complaints as trivial

I'm still undecided as to how I feel about that logic, it's something that you hear rather often. It's also, to some extend, claiming that I don't understand the problem, because I'm a man. That's really a bad starting point for getting male involvement in womens issues.

Mostly I try to avoid getting into arguments about sexism in IT. It's hasn't been productive in the past and I often feel attacked for being male. I get the impression that women, and some men, want me/us to take action while being extremely vague about what those actions might be. For now I've decide that I don't care about women in IT. I won't discriminate, I won't create a hostile work environment, but I won't be doing anything to actively help either.


I am with you on that. Its hard to say anything without criticism.

I believe the problem is, its a cultural difference. Some women have a different setpoint when complaining, which men are uncomfortable with. That discomfort is louder than the message.

Now, we could either ask women to learn to argue like a man. We could ignore them and hope they go away. We could try to speak for women, (mis)translating their message. Or we could get over it, and just address the message.


I'm with you, brother. I'm sick of being attacked because of my gender when im not a part of the problem, and than shamed because I'm not actively helping women.

oh well.

cheers, mate.




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