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>What you say almost makes me want to learn enterprise.

Perspective is a funny thing. I started in the enterprise and was there through the bubble (excluding a brief stint at a startup). I then went on to found my own company some years later.

Anyway, it somehow never occured to me that people actually depend upon the startup ecosystem continuing to thrive, and would feel absent options without it. I mean, I guess it's obvious, but I suppose I just hadn't consciously considered that it really implies "startups as a career".

So, it's somewhat hilarious for me to read someone musing that maybe they should "learn enterprise".

I'm also not in SV or another startup hub. So, I'm sure it's partly cultural as well.

> it's somewhat hilarious for me to read someone musing that maybe they should "learn enterprise".

I'm actually still in school. So, I tend to muse over learning a lot of different things. Your life story was really neat though ;)

Interesting. I wasn't aware there was a choice between "learning enterprise" and (other?) in school nowadays. Back in my day, you'd come out with a solid foundation, equipped to make those choices. Hey, another perspective thing. Fancy that!

But, I'd say, yeah...get you some "enterprise" while you're there, especially if they're offering it for the same price. ;)

Glad you enjoyed my life story. Happy to share.


I certainly did not read that unclebucknasty was bothered by your phrasing, but rather was sharing a story and encouraging you to branch out into some "not cool" tech that could support you in possible bubble-burst future.

New suggestion, though. You should spend your time in school learning how to remove your prejudice. It's pretty bad, and will hold you back more than not learning a particular language will.

P.S. Just to be clear, I was bothered by your ageism.

Just take the correction, apologize, and move on; there's no utility for trying to "win" the conversation and as others pointed out you really took it more personally than needed.

Knowing how to be graceful will spare you a lot of future pain in your career as well as your social life.

Point taken. At risk of being further downmodded, I have to say that I don't consider myself to be very graceful. I'm not sure how much I can change that (I find fake personalities exhausting).

However, the way you phrased your criticism was very polite, yet firm. It drove your point home in a self evident kind of way. It's got me thinking and I appreciate that.

If you'll listen to another old guy who wouldn't mind a nap:

There's a world of difference between having a fake personality and learning to politely and gracefully interact with others even when you really don't want to. Those skills are far, far more important than anything technical you will learn in your CS classes.

Yes, and then there's that sweet spot you find when you're walking the fine line between being polite and being patronizing. That perfectly guised condescension with a rich aroma of political correctness that still delivers the intentional underlying message.

That's the real skill to master, especially amongst the smug closeted egomaniacs in the programming world. But as a normally blunt person, it all seems a little silly(and very insincere) to me.

You ever read The Catcher in the Rye?

I'd suggest reading it. The protagonist struggles with "fake" throughout the whole book. Might give you some perspective.

Theres nothing wrong with being a bit blunt and direct, ageism is well beyond that threshold.

Yes, I've read it. It's not a very good book, in my opinion.

The end of your second point fails to address the comment you responded to, I was addressing an entirely separate issue about how this community (and to a lesser degree, the programming community) chooses to communicate. Specifically, how it fails to actually remove flaming, trolling, rudeness, and arrogance. It merely wraps these things nicely in pseudo intellectual packages.

Anyways, I wasn't defending my (purely spiteful) "ageist" comment, nor do I intend to. Although, I keep getting baited to address it, so here I am. Rest assured though, while I may never transform into a different gender or race, I will certainly age. I'm sure one day, when I'm older, someone on the internet will say a rude, politically incorrect comment towards me, and I shall weep with regret and understanding.

re: fake personalities

For what it's worth, I do think there's way more utility in differentiating oneself by having opinions one believes in, vs trying to be a crowd pleaser (which really adds no long term value to anything). Now the onus is really one oneself to make sure that those strong opinions are right, of course. :) Kinda like on HN, having a differentiable and unique idea/product/startup is way better than all the me-toos, as long as the idea is actually any good. :)

Consistency is one of those things that people try to figure out all life. I personally respect those who are clear in taking a stance even if I don't agree with them -- they've found their niche. The alternative is someone who's trying to play short term efficiencies and please everyone -- all they say are words everyday, words that carry no weight or meaning behind them.

Pardon the jumbled metaphors and all that. :)

PS -- Being mindful of what you type on the internet, just like being mindful of what you say in real life, is helpful in being genuine. Specifically it's to understand what other people are trying to say, and also understand the ramifications of your own words. And as you exercise this mindfulness, it'll become second nature and become a skill.

PPS -- re: gracefulness - just remember the downside value of a comment is not 0 but negative, and the expected value of a comment is not necessarily positive.

Weow that's pretty passive aggressive and toxic, maybe you should check yourself before that attitude hurts you.

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