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For some reason I just think that Steve Wozniak is so cute. It's like watching a child, someone with a real passion and heart for hardware, in a somewhat older man's body. The way he talks about his hardware. This is exactly the reason why Wozniak and Steve made such a good team, Steve complimented Wozniak perfectly. A dream team, so to speak.

I'm not an Apple guy personally. But every time I see/read an interview with Woz I can't help but want to give him a big bear hug. He looks like the kind of guy that would gladly reciprocate.

It's interesting to see how Woz's attitude towards Steve Jobs has changed over the years. In the book The Ultimate History of Video Games (2001), I remember Woz being very bitter about Steve Jobs and characterized Steve as someone who would rip you off if he could.

"Very bitter" is wrong. We're talking about one comment on one incident. You could find a few more. I have repeatedly said that had Steve Jobs just told me he needed the money he could have had all of it. None of us is perfect 100% of our lives. Steve and I may have had different personalities but I have always been very good at not being judgmental. If someone else is different they are not bad. I am also very forgiving. I have not changed my opinion of Jobs or how I express it. The fact about one ripoff is true and I still acknowledge it out of honesty. I speak of many positive and negative things all the time about Jobs (and other things) but I don't have a script where it comes out the same words each time.

Thank you for setting the record straight for me! I feel pretty bad for getting it wrong this whole time.

I still think he'd believe the same, but may be he's just learned to be 'politically correct' a bit, just like today's businessmen are.

Time heals all wounds... Or maybe he's thinks there's little to be gained by holding a grudge against a friend who's no longer around.

1) Err, the other guy got sick and died.

2) Many years have passed since that time mentioned by the parent.

3) Woz is not the type to be "politically correct".

>> Err, the other guy got sick and died.

So what? Should one's opinion towards another person change when he/she dies?

>> Woz is not the type to be "politically correct".

Everyone is, to an extent. That's why I used 'may be', because a lot of people who weren't, learn it. I'm not saying it's bad.

>So what? Should one's opinion towards another person change when he/she dies?

For people from Vulcan it's usually difficult to explain this, because the logical answer is no.

In real life though, one's opinion towards another person can and DOES change when he/she dies.

Plus, since you're being logical and all, we were discussing whether Woz changed opinion on Jobs, not whether he SHOULD HAVE changed. So the philosophical question "So what? Should one's opinion change...?", etc, doesn't apply to my response. I didn't say it should change (a moral judgement), I just listed the fact that Jobs died as one of three possible factors that might have changed Woz's opinion of him (an estimation of what might happened).

But, to answer that too, yes, I think changing opinion about someone when he/she dies it not that bad, and it actually makes sense. Not in all cases, but in some cases sure.

Death gives closure to the persons life story and makes you able to see it in perspective. It also makes you think of stuff that you are less trivial than the ones a lot of people focus on when the other person is alive (e.g. petty grudges).

Your question assumes the person that dies was in the wrong, and the person that lives should continue to have the same opinion on him. But the other person dying also triggers a re-evaluation of whether our judgement of them was correct or not. How many people regret not being nicer to their father or their spouse when they die, understanding that some things that seemed unsurmountable in separating were actually BS compared to those that should unite them?

Great response. I lol'd at the people from Vulcan bit. Your points about the change of perspective death offers are very true and insightful.

I have nothing to add other than I really enjoyed reading this and felt compelled to comment. It upped my mood :) Keep up the positive outlook (sometimes rare on this site) and have a great day.

I'd try not to confuse, how people should behave logically with how they actually behave.


Plus "how should behave logically" can also be illogical. We assume too much when we think of the ideal "logical" stance on things.

E.g. in the case of someone dying, the idea that "this should not change our opinion of them" assumes that our opinion of them is correct, and ignores that faced with larger life issues like mortality we might re-evaluate our opinion of the other in a more solid ground.

E.g. he did so and so and so for me, whereas I hated him all these years for BS reasons.

Very well put.

Woz is still fully capable of being blunt, he's just a little more articulate. After the most recent iPhone release he pointed out in an interview that having the larger phone was a positive thing and also pointed out that it couldn't really happen while Jobs was still alive and directing things.

How's that being bitter when it's the truth?

well, it's called the bitter truth, isn't it?

A lot of computer geeks are like this. I am too, for example. For whatever reason we never lose the nice boyish curiosity thing. It's a bit weird as you get older (I'm 42) because you feel like the same curious friendly boyish dude but you're now living in this body that is just... getting old, day by day. But there's something in you that stays the same...

I'm not so sure Jobs complimented Wozniak perfectly, but they certainly complemented each other.

A lot of people are like this. There's a quote about a nerd being a person who never has to apologize about his her passion.they l ove what they do and they're not ashamed to speak gleefully about it. I dont have the quote quite right but that's the essence. There are nerds every discipline. Cars...code...knitting...

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