Resolution in DPI also would be helpful.
Some indicator of whether it's configurable would also be helpful... but then, this is just an Amazon affiliate play and I guess that Amazon doesn't offer the full range of config options so are you just restricting the results to that which is available via Amazon?
Edit: Just found DPI as a side selector on the axis picker.
At the time I bought it I would have been interested in a query like this: screen 15", up to 32 GB RAM, 3 physical touchpad buttons, no number pad (which turned out to be very hard for 15" laptops - I didn't want a Mac), at least 512 GB internal storage, 4 cores, 1080p or better, next business day on site assistance. Price, battery life, optical drive: don't care. And of course 16:10 aspect ratio, but that would have returned an empty set.
I eventually had to compromise on the number pad even if I almost never used one and I'm not using it now that I have one. I have to shift the laptop to the right to keep the space bar right in front of me. The center of the screen is aligned with my right hand. I wonder what all those PCs designers are thinking about.
I love using their products, but I always get this feeling that they have a lot of planned obsolescence built into them. That or they are just so cutting edge that they push the boundaries of hardware failing. Not sure, but I've spent hundreds of hours trying to debug hardware issues with their devices and there is also a lot of fud on the internet making it more difficult to do that. They never respond to any of these issues on their forums, you always just have to wait until it becomes widespread enough that they will make a service announcement.
I know that these sort of problems are not exclusive to Apple and lots of other companies have issues, I just have not been happy with the way Apple deals with them. That MacBook Pro is the only laptop I have ever owned (besides this Chromebook I'm typing on now) and I am very interested in hardware alternatives. I actually love running Mac OS, but to get away from their expensive hardware that I seem to have horrible luck with and their horrible customer support would be worth dealing without it for me. I admit, though, that I brought a lot of pain onto myself by trying to solve problems rather than just letting Apple deal with it. That's why I'm starting to get the feeling that Apple isn't for a computer hardware geek like me. I want something that is designed to last, that has survived the most brutal quality tests, and that I can maintain myself by replacing the parts. I also admit that I am still tempted to stick with the Mac OS world and get another MBP... I just want more options!!
Also, these days the reasons for upgrading that you mention are diminishing. We all know the limits of Moore's law were being reached, and I was able to upgrade my MBP to 6 GB of memory (Apple's weird limitations on it causing 8 GB not to work?) and put an SSD in it for a solid computing experience sans the other issues.
Of course, I've just noticed that there is an option for a 1TB PCIe drive (compared to the 750GB SATA SSD I have now). If I could double my RAM to 32GB as well then I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade. As it is, I'll still probably end up going for it before too long, unless an alternative presents itself.
Using OSX as a hypervisor to run Ubuntu in VMWare or VirtualBox seemed a waste of resources to me. Installing Linux as the only OS on a MBP doesn't always give optimal results, so no Mac. However MBP 15"'s 16:10 screen and the keyboard without number pad are good things (but Fn Backspace to Del, ugh). It would have been great to fit the ZBook 15 inside my old HP nc8430's case, plus the ZBook removable panel at the bottom. BTW, maybe the new keyboard has a better feeling than the old one but that was good too.
I think you may find this is no longer the case... Linus himself uses a MBP nowadays
Best $190 I've spent in a long time.
Besides the hardware issues, there are many reasons not to buy a Mac. Macs are cool, and I'd like to have one lying around just for fun, but they're pretty expensive toys and I'm not that rich. I can, in general, only justify that kind of expense for a real computer.
for replacing the RAM on a unibody aluminum MacBook Pro? it's one screwdriver (Phillips 00), maybe 10 screws to remove from the edges of the back cover, and the RAM modules are easily accessible without any additional tools. One of the easiest RAM upgrades I've ever done... maybe 10 minutes max.
(not that it matters anymore since the retina models aren't user-upgradeable)
It is nice that there was a temporary respite of upgradability before they decided to go to the furthest extreme possible and make it entirely non-upgradable.
Aside from data entry and scientific users, is there a utility-based reason why incorporating a numpad is worth offsetting the keyboard, the typical input method (along with mouse for most users)?
It's really nice for working in computer networking, where you're often typing long strings of numbers with dots between them. The number row sucks for finding numbers and the dot is way far away.
For home or consumer use, though, I'm not sure why anyone would want a numpad bad enough to make that tradeoff.
Someone really needs to setup their own DNS server...
(That, or make a programmer's numpad that goes from 0 to 'f')
> ... is like saying you don't need gears because it's an automatic transmission.
Just how many speeds is the transmission on a Tesla Model-S?
Well, there's http://runtimejs.org/ but it's still in development.
Or outsource some accounting work...
I usually code web applications. I think that most of my numbers go into CSS hex color strings and into my invoices. What are your use cases?
In the past I used number pads to play video games and nethack. Not much of them in the past 10 years though.
As is "battery life." That's a crucial number; I get 8+ hours of real usage on the Tecra, which is awesome.
It also has a number pad, but that's a bonus for me. If you really hate them, Dell has a laptop workstation with no keypad. I have one for work, and I'm bothered by the lack.
1. I can't filter to a exact screen size. Inputting 13" - 13" fails.
2. What type of disk? SSD vs HDD is a huge concern in laptops. Having a filter for that will be great.
3. Some laptop models can be upgraded. This doesn't appear to cover that.
4. How often are you updating the information?
Sadly, it would be easy to implement in 2014. Just map it to set the entire grid to display:none.
(But I think I'll be sticking with my 4:3 T61 until shortscreens fall out of favor)
Not that I'm not satisfied with my T440s, though :)
That was the laptop I had before the ZBook. The old keyboard was better because of the lack of numberpad but I don't feel the position of those keys on the ZBook to be unconvenient. Obviously this is subjective and I respect your dislike for them. I'm quite picky about those kind of details too.
Hadn't noticed that. Thanks :)
My major gripe is those small round icons. If they had conveyed something useful, say a brand name (L for lenovo, T for Toshiba and so on) that would've been useful.
Second, there's no scale. If a scale is tough to fit, at least the plot area could've been split into color-coded regions.
(Or is OpenBSD the popular choice and I'm behind the times again? :-) )
"Memory? Dirt cheap, and average users won't need more than 2 gigabytes of the stuff in practical use"
Not a criticism, since obviously that was written in 2010, but I find that with 128GB I definitely have to think about where I'm putting stuff. This is especially the case for software which steadfastly refuses to be installed anywhere but the system drive (looking at you, Visual Studio).
E.g.: If I add a constraint "laptops with at least 16 GB of RAM" it doesn't show the Retina MacBook Pro 13". Only the 15" model is shown, because there is a default configuration with said amount of RAM.
Most of the features I want are sort of "anti-features". No stupid touch stuff, no "this converts into a table", no numpad, no special media keys, no Windows only hardware, no VGA. Add to that: Must be well built, you pretty much left with nothing.
It's nice to see screen resolutions getting high though. For a long time it seems that you had to go with a MacBook to get a higher resolution without paying over $3000.
"IMHO you shouldn't do it in a grid, it's confusing as a graphic and in some cases results in wrong representation of the data (which every graphical representation of data should avoid), for example, outliers can be too close to "normal" data, distance between two points is not representative of actual variables variation (sorry for alliteration), overlapping points seem to be different and you can't infer a drive price/cost to be better than other unless they share one coordinate(the worst, because that's the purpose of the graphic)
I'd say your points need to be smaller or you need to use less points in order to represent your data correctly.(...)"
I would add this time that the chart screen size vs price doesn't make sense to me. I would rather have a compound metric for performance/value in lieu of screen size. This would be made according to "weights" attributed by the user against the several aspects of a laptop, so, for me, screen resolution and memory would be the most valued, followed by HD capacity.
I'm trying to give constructive criticism here, because I believe you have something really good that needs some polishing. The fact that you made this in its current state is already applause worthy. It can be better but it already provides a very good service.
So for example, you could have "price" as the X axis and "processing power" as the Y axis.
I wanted something I could use for mobile DJing/VJing and some 2d/3d content creation capability. I was looking for 15" or larger, i7, decent nVidia GPU, 16GB RAM, 1920x1080 or better, and at least 500GB storage.
The Asus uses a 1TB HDD and not a SSD and the display is OK but not amazing. Still, it was tough to find something similar for anywhere near the $900 it cost and the relatively good build quality. It's obviously aping the look of a Macbook but since I have stock in neither company that's not really important to me. Couldn't find much else with those specs without spending several hundred dollars more.
Either way it works for what I use it for. It's not my main workhorse so it doesn't need to be as fast as humanly possible. Just need to be able to handle fairly processor or graphically intensive tasks outside of the house. For the sub-$1k price it was a good deal. Macbook had a few more bells and whistles that I didn't need but cost a good deal more.
Otherwise, I really like this, I've always wanted to build a laptop search tool / website.
Feature Request: I would love a flag to say weather the ram/hdd is upgradable. Also, maximum ram would be helpful (aside from installed ram)
> I've always wanted to build a laptop search tool
Get in contact, if you still do :)
I'd pay a few hundred bucks for an aftermarket keyboard/trackpad system to replace the crap Lenovo ships.
(But of course, it's not.)
My personal choice of axes for laptops would be weight, compute power and price, in that order of priority.
There are a lot of laptops on Amazon with missing or wrong specs. Im planning to have a "suggest spec changes" button, so we can have crowd-fixed-data.
Thanks for putting the time and effort into collating and normalizing all this data, and making it accessible to the rest of us.
One peeve though, it seems you've missed what is probably the most important criteria in selection a laptop, for active users: Namely, the screen resolution. I can limit by physical panel size, and make educated guesses, but that's pretty useless.
Please, consider adding a few categories for screen resolution of the platforms!
As a laptop search tool this is cool but lacks practicality because there are so many missing search options. Just look at ebay laptops for example.
As a data visualization tool this is cool but nothing I have seen comes close to silverlight deep zoom for displaying and filtering large image sets.
I do appreciate the difficulty of what this is trying to accomplish and I commend the OP for making it this far! Dont stop now!
* touch screen would be nice
* Screen resolutions would be nice
* SSD drive options
Edit: Just notice DPI and other ways of sorting are available by clicking on the axis. Should make this more intuitive.
Nice work overall
nvidia gtx 870
>= 256gb SSD
>= 12gb ram
After that there are a few things I look for. Size, resolution, weight, etc. But those first three are my starting requirements.
11.6" 2560 x 1440 touchscreen (can be rotated to use as a tablet) with similar weight and size as the macbook airs. The 11" and 13" MBAs have crappy screens
None? Doesn't it just depend where you are. I see no (alright very few) Apple laptops as people I know aren't made of money. Some students get them when they first start college/uni because they've not budgeted correctly ... but that's about it.
Tablets though, mostly iPads.
Flame wars ahead ...