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"SO goes to great lengths to reduce garbage collection costs, skipping practices like TDD, avoiding layers of abstraction, and using static methods."

I don't understand this at all. What does TDD have to do with reducing garbage collection?




My guess is that they feel that the layers of indirection and abstraction often needed to make TDD work result in an object creation pattern that results in heavy GC load during normal operation. The references to "using static methods" is probably related to this.

ps. That's my guess, but I'd encourage you to post your question to the meta site for SO.


Marco from Stack Overflow here. We try to measure everything, including GC operation. We know that layers of indirection increase GC pressure to the point of noticeable slowness :-)

It's not a theoretical risk we're trying to avoid here, it's a real problem that needed solving.


IME that always happens when you try to perform tdd in combination with Javaesque encapsulation. The good solution to the problem is to not be so afraid of classes seeing each others internals. The bad solution is to add, factory patterns, dependency injectors and other useless layers just to try and keep your design both well encapsulated and testable.


You do realize that most efficient DI framework only inject the dependency once.

Separating Controller, Repository, and Services are good practices as well and let's be honest, we're looking at 3 methods layer at most.

Here's what happened in Java:

1. When you deploy your WAR, the DI will inject necessary component _once_ (and these components only instantiated _once_ for the whole web-app so there you go, Singleton without hardcoding).

2. A request comes in, gets processed by the pumped-up Servlet (already DI-ed). If the servlet has not been instantiated, it will be instantiated _once_ and the instance of the Servlet is kept in memory.

3. Another request comes in, gets processed by the same pumped-up Servlet that is already instantiated and has already been injected with the component (no more injection, no more instantiation, no more Object to create...)

So I've got to ask this question: what GC problem we're trying to solve here?

Some of the static methods are understandable but if Component A requires Component B and both of them have already been instantiated _once_ and have been properly wired up together, we have 2 Objects for the lifetime of the application.

I'd pay for a wee bit extra hardware for the cost of maintainable code ;)

Discipline (and knowledge of object graph) definitely help to reach to that point.


You probably meant to respond Marco's comment? And afaik Stackoverflow is written in ASP.NET, not Java.


C# or Java, the whole request pipeline processing should be more or less the same. Unless one platform does things less efficient than the other.

Rails and Django do things differently as to my knowledge they do it by spawning processes instead of threads. There are app-server for Rails or Django that may use threads for efficiency/performance reason but I am under the impression the whole LAMP stack is still 1 request 1 process (even though they re-use those processes from a pool of already allocated processes).


> The bad solution is to add, factory patterns, dependency injectors and other useless layers just to try and keep your design both well encapsulated and testable.

Not doing this will cause much self-righteous snickering from some.


Insofar as this is your guess, it's down to the language. In Ruby or Javascript it's very easy to TDD. In Java, much less so. (I'm not sure where C# lies on the spectrum).


Somewhere in the middle, but leans towards Java.


Sounds about right.

At the risk of exposing my slow transmutation into a hipster programmer, I and a colleague found that mocking in Go was much easier than we anticipated, thanks to the way interfaces work.




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