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There's medical-themed porn, school-themed porn and I'm sure someone in Japan has made at least one hacking-themed porn movie until now. That doesn't stop women from becoming doctors, going to school or hacking. There are striptease-themed news, too, and that doesn't prevent women going into television.
Is the site ridiculous and tasteless? Definitely. It's also not implying that women are lifeless beautiful objects who can't program any more than cheerleading implies that women are lifeless beautiful objects who suck at sports or strip clubs imply that women are lifeless beautiful objects who are only good at dancing. Would you also object to women at your favourite strip club wearing Tux bras?
Yeah, it's a piece of thrash, but also not more relevant to our industry than teasenews.com is to journalism.
Maybe she is not an impressionable toddler and can laugh at both the ridiculousness of this site and your reaction to it.
I agree. Aren't woman underrepresented in most STEM jobs anyways? And overrepresented in other jobs like e.g. kindergarten teachers? Woman are just wired differently as men. And perhaps woman are also conditioned differently as men from a young age (girls get to play with dolls, boys with cars and legos). There could be an evolutionary reason for this, since ages ago most men were probably hunters while most woman likely tended to the children.
Of course sexism in tech is bad and we should try to reduce sexism wherever possible, but that's a different issue. I'm not sure we should try to push woman into technology (or fields like construction, etc...), just as I'm not sure we should try to push men into jobs where men are underrepresented.
By the way, I do think we should also support diversity in some jobs where men are underrepresented, like teaching - I was reading a psychiatrist explain how the "girlification of elementary school" can be damaging for boys. (http://www.esquire.com/features/drugging-of-the-american-boy...)
i nominate for Best Mansplaining.
Do we not teach children wrong by showing we are displeased? That silence means their actions are acceptable. Perhaps not reward-worthy, but acceptable. Thus are you saying that the behaviors shown on TV, shopping malls, bars, that is how you want you, your friends, your children to be treated?
If you are an intelligent human being who could go do and learn whatever you wanted, which was why you went, fuck conformity, I'm going to program and did it, why would you stay in an environment where you feel unsafe, objectified, and unwanted?
And at the end of the day, if another human being tells you that your actions make them feel unsafe, objectified, and unwanted, why is your reaction to tell them to leave?
Have you considered that perhaps there are girls who do not like playing with dolls? Who wanted the legos and Knex, who their parents had to threaten to keep them from taking apart the television and wanted a soldering iron instead of Barbies. That the very girls who ignore the conditioning you mentioned who make it regardless of social pressures when they realize that you, their peers, will continue to think they do not belong and they will have to fight your mentality for the rest of their lives, that you would rather believe that they simply can't hack it so you can justify the job distribution, why should they have to endure the perpetual questioning, lewd comments, uncomfortable stares, and stress? Why as fellow human beings would you ask that of anyone?
Why are you offended? Do you really think this is a serious website? maybe the next Codecademy.
On a lighter note, its really funny how you think "women must find it" offensive, but not for a single second you even thought that same statement is really really sexist.
ps: About the website, on my scale between love it and hate it, its in the "who gives a f*?" category. Daytime television if full of this cheesy type of stuff.
> On a lighter note, its really funny how you think "women must find it" offensive, but not for a single second you even thought that same statement is really really sexist.
I am aware, I spent 10 minutes before posting trying to find a way to phrase it without sounding like that. Either I removed it entirely and sounded without empathy, or I left it in and sounded patronising. What would be an improved way to say it? I'm listening and I would like to learn.
Not say it. Don't just assume you know the experience of the Other because you read some Tumblr blogs.
seriously... it's time for all little boys to grow the fk up.
This, however, is technical training. This says that programmers are people who want to look at models who are dressed like some board-driven abstract costume aimed to give straight 14 year olds get an erection. It says that programmers are male, and "men like babes", so therefore, men might want this.
This is harmful to our culture. This is harmful to women programmers, who now have further proof that they don't 'belong' here, that programming is 'for' them. This devalues what people think of me, and what I consider to be my craft.
This is C- misogynist garbage aimed at my community, and I don't fucking appreciate it.
There's a fundamental difference between exploiting one aspect of women and bringing that exploitation where it doesn't belong or basing your entire attitude towards women on that one aspect.
This is just soft porn under a domain name that ends with "babes.com". Most of us are okay with the existence of such things (and that's an understatement), and somebody was bound to exploit this predominantly mail target audience.
It's just too bad it's now being associated with our industry when we really don't need that shit.
But please don't make this part of the narrative around the very real problem of sexism in our industry. This is just a red herring, and maybe just a troll.
1. To run PHP code it needs to be processed by a web server.
They say TRUE.
The answer is FALSE.
- php-cli is used a lot (composer/phpunit/etc...)
2. If you inspect the source of a web page, will you ever see the PHP code?
They Say YES.
The Answer is FALSE
- I mean maybe if you enable phps (php source) in your web server, but in most usage never.
4.In the following code snippet, 'print' is what?
<?php print("Hello beautiful world!"); ?>
They say it s a variable.
That might be true given that a variable can be a closure function, but the real answer is a function!
I suspect all the quizzes are jokes or proof-of-concept placeholders.
And then there's
> Which of the following will increment a the variable 'x' by one?
* All of the above
Hint: any php 'function' that can be called without parens, is a language construct. Some of our favorite impostor 'functions' in php: echo, unset, isset, die, include, require
"So how did you get into development, Mr. Job Candidate?"
"It all started when I successfully completed every fap session at Codebabes.com..."
It's hard to believe that anyone in this industry - after everything that's gone down in recent years - would be ignorant enough to create this.
There's a direct link in "Our Philosophy" to http://programming-motherfucker.com/ (which also seems terribly misguided) but I really hope - for Zed's sake - that he's not involved in this idiotic project.
I guess they're winning though, if they got on the front page of HN.
It's very easy to believe that someone with knowledge of this industry would believe that there is an audience for this, and its not surprising that someone in this industry would think that profiting from targeting such an audience is a good (for them) thing to do.
There's nothing about either the technical or business side of this industry that should give any reason to think that, whatever they might know factually, people in this industry in any capacity are somehow especially more socially responsible (as opposed to narrowly self-interested) than the rest of the population.
Even if you believe that people in our industry are unusually intelligent on average, there's no reason to think there's a particularly strong correlation between intelligence and any particular moral orientation (though, for some reason, people seem to want to believe that "intelligent" implies "shares my values".)
Direct link to the relevant video snippet:
-- HEADERS --
Server The Codebabes server
-- Traceroute --
8 router3-fmt.linode.com (220.127.116.11) 14.891 ms 9.519 ms 14.410 ms
9 li679-236.members.linode.com (18.104.22.168) 10.002 ms 9.691 ms 9.229 ms
As an industry are we incapable of learning anything from our past fuckups?
Apparently neither of us consider PHP to be programming.
Apologies for reacting without reading clearly.
I didn't turn on my brain, and reacted. I'm sorry, Choult. Thanks for directing my attention to your comment.
Please note, I am posting this with despair - it's little surprise that women are under-represented in our industry if this kind of thing can stand.