I'm always grateful to have skills that are in demand. I have friends in other fields that are not so lucky. No need to be the girl that tries to tell everyone how attractive she is by complaining about the attention she receives from guys.
It likely depends on how big your online footprint is. I've been on the Internet publicly since 1989 and hence you can find me all over. That also means recruiters do. I have no problems with the ones who are good at their jobs, but about half are below average, working on commission, and their tactics are the same as spammers (spread yourself indiscriminately far and wide). Many are downright scammers such as taking resumes off the net and then pretending to represent those people, or scraping job postings off websites and then pretending to represent those companies.
At the top of my resume I put a "note to recruiters" that makes it clear what I am good for. It is very clear then which recruiters have made even that miniscule effort, versus just started spamming right away.
I'd say I see about one good recruiter for every 20 spammers. And that is what is bothering. Even worse the lack of response or saying no doesn't deter the spammers so you have to do something about it. I made a blocklist in the end.
> I'd say I see about one good recruiter for every 20 spammers
These two seem contradictory, but the second statement strikes me as much more true than the first. Recruiters in this industry seem to be more parasitic and less knowledgeable than even real estate agents, and I say that with great hesitation. Any job where the attracting principle is "ooh money, and I don't even need to know anything!" is probably not usually a service that's worth a damn.
Also, in this case the mean and the median are probably close to the same thing since recruiter skill is likely to be normally distributed, but that's a different story.
That being said, I wouldn't be that ticked if someone from Google contacted me once every three years. It sounds like the author is just humble bragging.
Just month ago some Google recruiter emailed me to "see what I've been up to". He is not taking emails for an answer, he wants to schedule a phone call at some weird hour. Of course he wants me to submit some paperwork. I say fine, then he cancels at the last moment, another recruiter contacts me to reschedule and forgets about it.
That aside I've never been contacted directly by Google :( Amazon spams me all the time though. I've never interviewed at either one.
It's also annoying to try and hit "unsubscribe" from a mailing list only to find out "unsubscribe" does nothing.
You're extremely lucky to have talents that are highly sought-after and well paid. I know many talented architects and designers with experience who just scrape by. Just ignore Google's recruitment advances and move on :)
If I thought I was the only person being annoyed by them, I would probably do this. But I've spoken to lots of other developers who get similarly annoyed by Google recruiters despite their attempts to tell Google Recruiting to stop contacting them -- so I figured it was worth writing a "ha ha only serious" public piece in the interest of getting Google's attention and maybe saving a lot of developers that same occasional irritation.
It might have been worth mentioning this in your post.
As it stands, the faux-formal structure, slightly melodramatic tone and repeated references to your cushy career situation make it read like a classic humblebrag.
I take issue with the fact that the stated intention of his post - to get Google's attention and prevent similar incidents in the future - is at odds with the tone of his writing. That's all.
Being at the top of your field outweighs the negative connotations of being immodest, but that doesn't make humility undesirable.
I see you're new here. Let me refer you to this classic HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35068
I've always been a fan of Colin from the little that I've been exposed to his work, but that thread instantly made me like him less (though this post tempered the feeling some: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35096)
And yet I'm more of a fan of Richard Sherman (in the NFL) than I was two weeks ago, in spite of his unapologetic bragging. I can't explain the difference.
What about this did you feel was humble?
What references are those? I only mentioned Tarsnap once at the very end. Based on everything else I might have been unemployed.
Being repeatedly contacted by Google Recruiting is hardly something to brag about.
Do you have any idea how many people would love to be contacted by Google Recruiting even once? That's fine if you have no interest in working for them, but please don't pretend Google isn't one of the most desirable companies to work for.
Tell them to put up a LinkedIn profile and wait a few months. The recruiters aren't making offers, they don't have that authority. They're trying to shove as many people through an interview grinder as possible.
Google's also the only company I know of which flies the same guy halfway across the country every year or two for interview processes that always end in rejection. (This is the primary reason I've stopped even responding to their recruiters. I don't want to get caught in the same cycle of anticipation, terrifying interviews, and rejection.)
Their recruiting department seems to like wasting everybody's time and their employer's money.
Amazon has the same problem..some low recruiters working for Amazon spamming devs
My solution was to contact Amazon dev advocate and state that I would not upload my android apps to their appstore unless the recruiting spamming stooped..
That worked for awhile, it no longer works
I'm not sour about not getting the job (I totally blew that interview—100% my fault), I just don't get the dissonance they send out.
I know you think you can help me find awesome Rails programmers in the Chicago area or whatever kind of developer it is you think you're great at sourcing, but all I can think of when you call us to pitch your services is that my company's name is going to end up in a blog post like this.
Go to hell,
With that said, your post does come across as really obnoxious. Asking to have an "ON PAIN OF DEATH" mention added on their file? Really? I dislike having my instructions disobeyed as much as the next guy, but if I counted properly this is 6 emails over more than 7 years. Surely one could live with receiving one unwanted email every year or so? It's not like it's that hard or time consuming to just ignore a message or to decline politely -- after all, a lot of people do it multiple times on a daily basis, and I'm sure you do too.
This is too bad, because the tone of your post distracts from the perfectly valid (but IMHO, minor) point that this policy does imply things about Google they view themselves.
Many of Google's recruiters (especially the sourcers who are looking for candidates) are temporary contractors.
These contractors generally have a tenure measured in weeks and they are vying for one of very few full time positions. This high turnover, low institutional knowledge, and desire to distinguish themselves would be my best guess at explaining why the "Do Not Contact" note is not being respected.
Yes you have the right to not be contacted by Google if you don't want so.
But may I advise you to not get pissed by the fact that your labour force and intellect is being greatly demanded. Disturbance apart, you should be thankful.
I've just gotten good at hitting shift-3 or e (depending on my mood) in gmail the second I sniff recruiter in an email.
Other recruiters haven't been so nice, but it's important to remember that recruiters are people too. Their jobs can be very stressful, since much of their compensation comes from successful hires. I ended up writing a rather conciliatory post, and I link to it whenever a recruiter contacts me: http://geoff.greer.fm/2013/10/23/dear-recruiter-please-do-no...
It has been quite successful. Replies from recruiters have been understanding and pleasant.
1. One cool thing about Google: They asked me to do a post-mortem to talk about out why I turned them down. I met a manager at a coffee shop and discussed my reasons. He also wanted to make sure that the interview process had been enjoyable for me, and asked for feedback on what they could do better. I was impressed by their thoroughness.
I had the same experience, although for me it was a web survey rather than a face-to-face interview (probably because I wasn't local). Whether they actually paid attention to what I told them, I'm not sure; 99% of the problems in the interview process were due to my recruiter screwing things up, but she got promoted a few months later.
I just think that by writing this in the way that you have, you've tarnished your personal reputation. If you're fine with that, then no big deal. But from this article and reading up on you, I know objectively that you are very intelligent and extremely accomplished in your chosen field, have a skill-set that is in constant demand, and are somewhat foolish.
If I were to complain about a problem almost no-one in the world shares, I would do it privately. This public complaint is particularly worthless since your complaint is likely not going to have an impact on whether or not some temp recruiter at Google will try to hire you in 3 years.
So, it doesn't accomplish much for you, and it convinces a whole bunch of people that you don't appreciate what you have.
I only got them off my back after stating (twice) that I have a life and as such won't move ~10 timezones for a job.
If you are not interested in an e-mail, it takes about a third of a second to press "!" in gmail.. that's a free way pass to the spam folder. But the person sending the email, the recruiter, won't know it. So a quick: "No thank you. I'm more than busy right now and not interested in new job opportunities" would do wonder.
And FYI, the last time a google recruiter tried to recruit me, we had a very nice chat about my own startup (Hacking Health) where we pair technical talents with health professionals to find innovate solution in healthcare. These guys are very well connected and can introduce you to so many people.. So, if you think it's okay to be jerk to them, then realize that you're closing the doors to great opportunities by doing so.
Only if I send you repeated requests to stop contacting me first.
The software isn't the problem - it's probably great - it's the service that I wouldn't recommend.
I deeply question their talent identifying apparatus. Even worse for them, if they did a correct analysis, they probably would have saved a lot of $. It would probably take over 2x what I am making now to woo me over, and that's not necessarily guaranteed.
I had one experience which was very good, with a Google Engineering team - I didn't end up passing through - but they made the experience fun (good questions), and they were very gracious hosts.
I had another with a Google Sales team in Australia - where they made me do some four-page online assessment, answer more questions - then booked me in for a phone interview at 09:00 - then emailed me at 17:00 the day before to cancel.
Their reason - oh yeah, the years of experience we required has changed...
It isn't that they keep ignoring the "DO NOT CONTACT", it's why Google wants his services so badly in the first place. What does Tarsnap do?
Think about it. Google wants to be bullet proof. Probably internally at first, but then maybe roll out the benefits to other services.
Have you read how people treated this guy http://valleywag.gawker.com/startup-stud-hates-homeless-peop... or this guy http://valleywag.gawker.com/happy-holidays-startup-ceo-compl....
IS your goal to be label yet another arrogant/ignorant tech douchebag? That just might now happen!
seeing and having to do what sourcers do for the last week has been eye-opening. identification, assessment, and engagement of skilled candidates is super hard and very time consuming.
I have nothing but sympathy for these people now...
When being contacted for a >$100K an year job looks like annoyance you know we have lived too much in luxury and have no clue about the kind of problems ordinary people face.
No, it shows that Google's recruitment practices are broken and annoying. They contact a huge number of people who have absolutely no chance of being hired.
> When being contacted for a >$100K an year job
Again, that isn't what's happening here. It's not even how Google hires at all. When you're contacted by a Google recruiter, no matter what that clueless recruiter might say, there is no specific job you're going to be interviewed for.
If I'm looking for a job, I might interview once at each of half a dozen companies and get two or three offers. But I could easily go through half a dozen interview processes just with Google, never getting an offer.
This discussion isn't about tech recruitment. It's about Google recruitment, which is uniquely broken. Their recruiters go after any warm body they can find to throw into the grinder, qualified or not, good candidate or not.
The author who many here say he is a genius isn't much so when it comes to trying to convey his 1 percent problem. More so, with the tech elite current events being blogged about frequently.
Had he phrased it as you did above then it wouldn't have inflamed readers and the overall tech elite issue going on.
Us tech folks geniuses or not all have a lot to learn!
Either way it doesn't matter. Making statements as to what you can reject, is in reality a statement to give others an idea of what you currently have or are capable of getting.
I am fortunate to get similar attention and I live on the opposite coast. I am very flattered/honored to receive constant job offers. I've worked hard to get to this point, but it could all go away tomorrow. Nothing is guaranteed.
While I agree with the sentiment, I also agree that if Colin is repeatedly asking the company not to recruit him, they should respect that (and should have the first time, too).
Perhaps if he puts a time limit on it, that will make things more clear (e.g., "Do not contact me for 100 years").
Almost sounds like a comic book series. OP could be the superhero -- the ability to be contacted by Google, no matter what [bad economy, career goals, whatever].