And in a case of luxury car arsons: http://www.businessinsider.com/berlin-arson-cell-phones-2012...
So the only new thing here is that the protesters got notified.
Is that incorrect?
There's some light(?) political right bias in some parts of the German police.
I'm not saying that german cops generally are nazi sympathisers but you're more likely to meet a right leaning cop than a leftist one.
 Kyivstar FB page: https://www.facebook.com/kyivstar (Ukrainian)
 MTS Ukraine FB page: https://www.facebook.com/MTSUkraine (Ukrainian)
The reddit thread has a lot of good comments actually: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1vtpa8/dear_subsc...
"When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard."
I think this is also the first time I've heard it quoted in an appropriate context, as opposed to business blabla.
This does not mean that the enemy is to be allowed to escape. The object, as Tu Mu puts it, is "to make him believe that there is a road to safety, and thus prevent his fighting with the courage of despair." Tu Mu adds pleasantly: "After that, you may crush him."
It's not the message that's the concern, it's knowing who to send the message to.
The government could as well, of course, but I'm going by an Occam razor here.
Aside from that, sure why not? Prank.
As you watch this unfold (fellow US citizens), remember that we are not so far removed from what you are seeing streamed your way. I hope that spooks you as much as it spooks me.
US police would just start beating you and throwing you into pens, if you are lucky you won't get coated in pepper spray or hit by a sound cannon.
Watch the DNC and RNC conventions next year for examples with their multi-million dollar taxpayer funded "security".
But I guess this indicates police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers of everyone in the area to mark people for "watching".
It stands to reason that the rate at which escalation occurs directly correlates with the usage of violence by a government, and that the correlation is with the rate of escalation rather than the maximum level of tension.
Or, more to the point, the level of violence applied by a government depends on how quickly shit hits the fan rather than how badly of a mess there is.
If shit hits the fan in America, it will hit it very quickly.
If there was even the smallest "attack" on police in the US, every person at the riot would be dead, beaten and imprisoned, or hunted down, which is why this never happens fortunately.
Have you seen the police at demonstrations this decade? They are para-military equiped. Body armor, fully automatic weapons, even mini-tanks from decommissioned iraq/afghan military use. I am not exaggerating.
I remember that the dutch police some years ago already used so called "sms-bombs" to contact mobile phone subscribers that were around a crime scene months before.
It is simply inherent in the technology. You wear a mobile phone? (not even smart) So you are traceable with all consequences.
The solution? In any case not technical in nature. We will see.
Two years ago when he told me this I thought he is a tinfoil-hat paranoid person but now I know he is right.
But if you hang out just a little bit with pot heads in eastern Europe you know the best solution is to turn off your phone and take the battery out when you don't want people tracing you or lightening to your conversations.
Put your cell phone in flight mode and use it exclusively as a PDA/music player/etc.
Let people contact you on a landline and email - more than enough.
I know its true of phones that are "off" without the battery removed - stands to reason it applies in flight mode too.
Since the power button is a 'soft' switch, controlled by the phones operating system, it's possible that a phone can be compromised so that even if it appears to be 'off' it is actually still powered up and listening to the cell network, but this is in no way a 'standard' feature. The same attack vector/vulnerability is present for flight mode, a compromised phone can lie and report that the radio is off when malicious software is using it.
Removing the battery is a mechanism to preclude any possibility of your phone being exploited, and may be appropriate depending on your risk tolerance and/or threat model.
if you have a tinfoil lined bag (like a thermo lunchbag), it's even easier than removing the battery.
If you're doing something illegal, or talking to someone about something illegal, leave your phone at home, and use your $15 dumbphone with an unregistered throwaway sim.
Just switching SIM cards may change what account info you're using, while still providing plenty of information for determined investigators to use.
The solution can be political, too, and it would certainly help, but I think it's a lot less sustainable from government to government.
I don't think the world has changed much since WWII, just that the crimes are more nuanced and better hidden.
Combined with the "meta-data" collected by the NSA, they can easily probalistically identify the core members of any dissident group to focus their national security efforts on.
I do agree that the conventions should not be afforded public protection, however those two conventions are an extension of the ruling party. The one percent are more than willing to have us foot their bills.
This comes from Soviet Union's militia mentality that people aren't enemies. It already changes as Ukraine (and other former republics) fully converges to democracy.
Here is a live feed of the scene, which is essentially an on-going street battle now.
edit: Video of the police scuffling with citizens in the street during the man's shooting then dragging his body away, along with an interview with the man that filmed it was submitted and published by the BBC.
It should be required reading for kids, maybe college kids. See kids, this RPG is how things are now WRT security, but a generation or two ago, it was merely a punchline. Americans haven't always been cowards.
"You're all a bunch of fucking slaves." ...
"Maybe you like being pushed around." ...
"Maybe you love getting your face stuck in the shit." ...
"How long is it going to last?"
The Doors discography:
"Anyone in the United States today, who isn't paranoid, must be crazy"
This would be doubly interesting if the message really came from spoofed base stations as apostlion claims.
Source: lived in a totalitarian state. The guys who can kill and maim without being held responsible have little reason to fear the masses, as long as they can put up enough violence to contain them.
The problem is not in the technology. It isn't even all that useful to the regime. They already know where the protesters are. The problem, as always, is in the baton they hold in the other hand.
Also, when you build authoritarian systems, they are going to be used by authoritarians, sooner or later. It's like saying it's ok to have a censorship infrastructure, like the Great Firewall, as long as it's not owned by the people with "batons in their hands", sort of speak.
Yeah, except that once you have a system that is an authoritarian's dream, it seems pretty damn hard to stop people like that from abusing it. And ultimately, you can only stop them with revolutions - violent revolutions, in most cases. I'd rather people wouldn't have to go that far to not be oppressed by their government.
Of course they do. Communists had been kicking people out of universities, withholding passports from protesters, and organizing mass internments back in the 80s and before.
They'd take pictures and ask around the opposition circles. Or arrest a few people and make them give up the rest. Not to mention willing, paid, or coerced informers planted in the invigilated organizations. And you can bet many people working for security forces in Ukraine today remember those times and techniques well.
There have been authoritarian regimes as far back as written history goes. We here like the tech angle, but let's not attach too much weight to it. It's a great story, I upvoted, but technology is not crucial.
The same as their counterparts in Capitalist Democratic America of the same time period.
The technology and the ideological bent are both irrelevant I'd say. With the exception that technology has just made the process a whole lot easier and has greater potential for abuse. All the old things are true, but now there are new, faster, more advanced methods to use!
I'm getting increasingly concerned that (USA in particular) police focus on staying out of the way and, so long as things don't escalate much, letting the situation run its course ... while documenting the participants by any means, so they can be individually & quietly apprehended & prosecuted later. Cell phone metadata, face recognition from video recordings, license plates, etc - all can be applied to identify who was involved, accusing them of all sorts of crimes just for being present if not for particular documented transgressions.
Much easier to apply the baton later when the mob can be handled as lone individuals. Gotta know who though, and that's not hard now.
Has this happened?
I wonder how opinions between laymen, politicians or religious people would differ. I think the toughest part would be ensuring survey is not too suggestive and respondents are not lying.
Consequence 1: Protesters believe they are marked for the gulags, and must go "all the way".
Option 2: Don't tell the protesters, but mark them for the gulags. Round them up at night when they are less likely to mount a response.
Cameras that are not attached to phones I suppose will become more popular at protests anywhere such a system is in place.
* Sun Tzu(544-496 BC), The art of war.
>This does not mean that the enemy is to be allowed to escape. The object, as Tu Mu puts it, is "to make him believe that there is a road to safety, and thus prevent his fighting with the courage of despair." Tu Mu adds pleasantly: "After that, you may crush him."
My point is that fortunately, most of those phones are not tied to you and your social security number like phones in America.
Edited: so soon that it's already happened: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/12/massive-domestic-mo...