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Note he is not calling for Alexander to be fired for all the fun and games the NSA has been up to.

He is calling for Alexander to be fired for letting it slip (specifically, for letting a contractor get that information.)

He hedges his language very well when asked about NSA shenanigans.




I'd tend to agree with you. McCain seems primarily upset about Merkel being spied upon, not the wholesale vacuuming up of the rest of the world's Internet communications. He's also clearly anti-Snowden/anti-whistleblower.

FYI - this is the entire Q&A on the Der Spiegel site: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-932721.html


He is not upset about Merkel being spied upon. He is upset with her finding out.


Thank goodness he never became President!


Oh yeah he definitely would have been worse then the guy who was elected who did it anyway.......


I'm not so sure, and just as a note, I'm pretty liberal.

> Asked if the US intelligence services were out of control, McCain said: "There's not been sufficient congressional oversight, and there has been an absolutely disgraceful sharing of information that never should have taken place. For many years, we had an absolute provision that any classified information, which was going to be shared, is based on need-to-know information."

It seems like he thinks the spying was egregious as well. Given his hawkish nature, I'd be surprised if he was actually that upset about it, but this article makes it seem like he's equally upset that we were doing it and that it was being run in such a poor manner.


Senator McCain is almost certainly referring to compartmentalized intelligence [1].

So he's not saying the spying was egregious, but instead that allowing a contractor like Snowden to have access to the classified info about the spying was egregious.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_(informati...


To be fair, you compartmentalize intelligence so it does not get abused. If you don't have a <need to know>, it is presumed you are going to abuse it somehow. That's the purpose of 'need to know' restrictions. Yes, it also is a policy which increases OpSec. But note His interview reference seems to be wikileaks and Manning, which was a breech of opsec, in theatre. Snowden leaking on the NSA seems to be much more grounded in a principled position, and is in a civillian context. Its hard to infer a position on the latter based upon coments from the former.


> "Not sufficient oversight"

That is an easy one because all they have to do is say "We will do oversight better; trust us. Now stop worrying about it, watch the big game and vote for us next time."

The rest is all him being annoyed about how the information was shared inside (and outside) the agency, not the fact the information existed or how it was obtained.


> It seems like he thinks the spying was egregious as well.

To be fair there's a lot of people who think NSA has gone overboard, even when those people otherwise consider Snowden a traitor. That would explain why Sen. McCain says that oversight was insufficient while still being upset with DIRNSA for not having proper internal controls to keep an employee (but especially a contractor) from grabbing a hold of so much TS, even across compartmentalized boundaries.


SPIEGEL: In your opinion, how should intelligence services define the lines that must not be crossed?

McCain: The limit should be the potential damage to relations with that country. In other words, is it worth the collateral damage that could result in those techniques being revealed? What would be the reaction of our friends to it?

== Yikes. Only bad if you get caught.


> Only bad if you get caught.

That's been the game in international diplomacy since the Sumerians. E.g. this is why French intelligence officials admitted in interviews after the Merkel spying allegations that France does this too, they merely wished they had the NSA's resources.

In fact I was surprised at many HN'ers reaction to the Merkel spying allegations, which were surprisingly supportive of the NSA spying (since it wasn't directed against Americans).


...which really is to be expected from John McCain. I'm surprised he hasn't demanded we start bombing the Soviets by now.


Didn't he basically say that during the South Ossetia crisis in 2008? Granted he didn't actually say "soviet", but...


Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is for McCain to retire. (Ask the NSA for proof of me being a good boy)


Yeah. When I first read the headline I was shocked. It made more sense once I read the actual article.


It's also a safe political statement, Alexander is on his way out soon anyway.


That was my thought as well before even opening the article.

If he had won in 2008, he would be right in the middle of this too.




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