> The thing slides off of pretty much anything
This is incredibly true. An anecdote: I was sitting in the waiting room at my dentist's office; I knew I'd have a wait, so I turned on the access point so that I could do some work and set the phone on the seat next to me. 15 seconds later, it dropped to the carpet. WTF, so I picked it back up and put it on the center of the chair seat. It fell off 2 minutes later. WTF^2, so I picked it back up and, intentionally and very carefully, put it back on the chair seat. It didn't fall off, but it took me 3 tries to get the phone to sit on a cloth chair seat without falling off. And I'm sure it would have fallen off given more time.
It's incredible watching it slide ever-so-slowly on a surface that I previously thought was pretty much level.
This should be a feature of all phones. There's nearly zero number of times I want my phone to move from where I've placed it.
AT&T has a phone that's some serious shit.
We got a demo the other day... and that thing resists drops, high temps, freezing, water splash (or underwater to a couple of feet... don't remember).
It was some serious hardware.
Of course, it's not running Android, yet if you want indestructible, I was impressed with this thing.
Me, personally: My phones last approx 2 years.
My iPhone 5 (got it around 1 year ago I think) is all busted up.
I'm not an Apple lover, yet this thing is tough.
EVERY panel on it is broken, bent, shattered... and it still works without a hitch.
Props to Apple on that.
My N9 is well over a year old and has zero broken external parts. And of course the phone itself still works.
Given that a smartphone has virtually no moving parts inside, continued functionality absent being submerged or crushed is not a particularly noteworthy achievement.
That said, I've dropped it a lot of times and it only has one crack on the back so far
How do these things get missed in testing? Did no one throughout the entire testing process receive a call while their phone was on their desk? Did they not notice the phone running away from them every time they put it on a shiny surface?
They made me pay for the repairs ($150 each time).
Once I was climbing on some rocks, tried to send a text (yeah, I realize that was dumb), lost balance and ended up slamming the phone screen first on the rock supporting my weight with it. There is a 1/4 sandgrain width dent in the middle of the screen, barely noticeable unless you're looking for it in just the right light. As I said pretty indestructible for me.
I've not been particularly fond of LG hardware since a friend had an LG device spontaneously catch fire.
But it's fair to say that the designers had different priorities (primarily aesthetic ones - weight, thinness) which mean the device is more breakable than it could be. The iPhone is the same.
Hopefully the Moto X is better!
It is a joke, the phone might stick to it the first time you use it, if you're lucky. The only thing keeping the above mentioned slippery phone on the un-necessarily slanted charger is some slick rubber material. The rubber holds dust like a pro, but alas cannot grip the phone.
If you don't believe me read Amazon reviews: http://www.amazon.com/Google-Nexus-4-Wireless-Charger/dp/B00...
It's still a bad design, but once I figured that out it was useable again.
But yes, def truth, extra carets.
All this without the bulk of a case, for less than $5.
If you don't like to have a sticker some appropriate colour duck/duct tape works perfectly.
Not only prevents the potential sliding, but offers great protection for clumsy phone droppers like myself.
Most other cases are more fashion accessoire than they actually protect the device. This one adds some bulk in favor of actual protection. (ymmv yadda yadda)
Still, it's a fantastic device, and it's been running flawlessly w/ CM10 and an LTE hybrid baseband (TMO in LA) for months - much better than when I got it in fact.
It's the best Android phone I've used (4.2+ of course is a big factor), and the first one where I haven't really felt the urge to upgrade at all (haven't been convinced by the S4, One, or X).
I think I'd need some combination of ridiculous battery life, way better radios, GoPro3-like video quality, IPX7+, and sunlight viewable screen to get me excited.
I decided against some silly case/screen protector and mine is still looking as it did the day I received it. I see the magic slip feature as a bonus - no need to leave it casually lying around if you know it will fall.
I compared my phone with a friend's iphone - his was bulked out by the obligatory cheap and nasty case. He had the case because he would not be able to afford to replace his phone should it drop. Meanwhile, with the Nexus 4, you can afford two for the price of one lower-resolution screen iphone. Therefore, only when you have smashed one do you 'need' the case...
Didn't slide off anything though, I dropped it pretty harshly onto some concrete.
Build quality for most of them are probably not as quite high as the Nexus 4, but the one I have at least is very well built.
If you intend to keep a phone even at this price range for more than 1-2 years, you'll want to do your research both regarding build quality and upgrades. Though the brands with regular upgrades and "premium" build quality, like Xiaomi, are also pretty much as expensive as e.g. Samsung.
In fact, if you limit the search on that site to 1G phones with Jellybean and 4.6-5" displays, you get a lot of units with prices significantly higher than the new price of the N4. And the ones that are cheaper seem pretty universally inferior (e.g. 480x800 screen, minimal internal flash, etc...)
(But yes, don't expect to get much in terms of upgrades from the manufacturer. Your mileage may wary, but the ones that do upgrade regularly, like Xiaomi, are also expensive high end brands - Xiaomi wants very much to be the "Chinese Apple" for example)
Here you can find other name for searching (no affiliation whatsoever with this shop, I don't even know if they sell in US, it's only the place where a couple of friends bought their chinese smartphone):
Good to know some are, which one is that?
Thing is unlocked to boot, great for working abroad. Unlocked iPhone, what, $650-750, no?
Having ditched OSX for Linux a few years ago, Android just makes cents, literally, lots of them ;-)
$100 refund by the looks of it.
You'll have to wade through the support prompts, but start at:
and click 'Contact Us' to get to the form.
Edit: you'll need the order number and the device IMEI
Props to Google for it being an automated process, not so much for total lack of promoting the refund.
If you're in a T-Mobile coverage area, look at Simple Mobile ($50/month unlimited everything)
"$30 per month - 100 minutes talk | Unlimited text | First 5 GB at up to 4G speeds"
Fine print: "New activations only." A new SIM card ($10) counts as a new activation. ;-)
For more detailed discussion: http://news.cnet.com/8301-33620_3-57587175-278/is-this-the-b...
I'm not sure if it's T-Mobile hardware or towers, but given I just use the phone to f around and am not reliant on it for work, I don't really feel it's worth trying to RMA or anything
Basically don't watch tons of videos or stream and excessive amount of music over the mobile network and it'll be no problem.
Anyways, for $10 more you can get 2.5 GB of 4G data, which should suffice for anyone.
I've used 40 MB of mobile data in the past month and 1.6 GB of WiFi data.
Also a T-mobile reseller, I believe.
EDIT2: ALSO forgot to mention that unlike most month-to-month providers, they actually allow conditional call-forwarding, which is necessary for using Google Voice as your voicemail.
And then there's the hardware issues (bluetooth kills WiFi if you try to use both at once), firmware issues (WiFi doesn't roam properly, ARP offload broken), straight-up bugs (wireless charging power management holds permanent wakelock preventing deep sleep)...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2072930 really shows what Android is capable of.
I recently destroyed the screen on my phone making it not possible to interact with it, so I've removed the sim and put it in a cheap feature phone. It still connects to WiFi (can't turn it off if I wanted to) and it beeps to let me know I have an e-mail. I can still listen to podcasts because my podcatcher automatically downloads and queues episodes and my headset has playback controls, and I have been using it for that purpose as much as I always have. Now when I go to bed, the battery icon has only the tiniest sliver empty; I expect it would last at least 4 days without plugging it in.
I think that it's safe to say Android OS is not draining my battery.
Until whatever byzantine download scheduler deigns to push the patch to 4.3 to my phone, it's basically unusable.
Still some work to do the initial flashing (wipe'restore), but as someone that hates futzing w/ the devices I'm actually using, I've been happy w/ how low maintenance things have been. If you just want the 4.3 factory image you can it here: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#occamjwr6...
Alternatively, if you are running stock and don't want to wipe and don't want to wait for the OTAs, you can get them directly:
4.2.2 (JDQ39) -> 4.3 (JWR66V)
4.3 (JWR66V) -> 4.3 (JWR66Y)
BTW, for most issues, I find the CM bug reports have significantly better S/N than official Google or XDA. Here's one on the wifi/ARP: https://jira.cyanogenmod.org/browse/CYAN-558 and on BT/Wifi: https://jira.cyanogenmod.org/browse/CYAN-550
My better life is around 20 hrs on average, with "medium" usage.
That is, assuming the user is capable of flashing the HTC One with a third-party firmware to get a vanilla Android experience. Is there a draw to the Nexus in comparison to the likes of the One other than being vanilla out of the box?
The One is the better phone, no doubt, but the Nexus is best for the price.
The One has a much better radio, especially for bluetooth. It's a lot more powerful, a consideration if you're playing games. The screen blows the Nexus' thoroughly mediocre display out of the water, and the stereo speakers are some of the best I've ever heard on a phone. The build quality is closer to Apple than Android. The camera is one of the best on an Android phone ever.
The major downside of the One for me is that it is slower in terms of slickness and smoothness, which I'm blaming on the Sense UI. If you flash it to vanilla, it should be fine. If you are a gamer, it does get very hot. Although build quality is better it doesn't feel any less likely to break if you drop it.
Weirdly, the call quality isn't that good on the One, the Nexus has it beat there.
If your phone doesn't do this you should either get it fixed or go join a league of super heroes.
Very odd phenomenon but it does exist!
Personally I wish the Nexus 4 was more plasticky. My phone always ends up on the floor because the glass on the back slides off everything.
How do you come up with stuff like this? I came from a Nexus One -- but you totally caught me lying about what Android phone I use on a website.
Feel around the edges of the phone: soft plastic where the bumper is, and the back is covered by the so-called `gorilla glass` which makes it feel even more like plastic.
There is definite lag, but maybe because I type in numbers fast and you don't? I don't know -- in my daily use, these are my gripes with it. Feel free to downvote me if you believe I'm lying though.
So glass makes the phone feel like plastic? You realize that is nonsensical, right? The build quality and feel of the phone has pretty much universal praise, and you are the only person I've ever heard use that descriptive, so maybe you're just misusing it (the descriptive I mean). Design is subjective so I'm not by any measure saying that you have to like it or appreciate it, just that I don't see how a rubber and glass phone can be called plastic feeling.
As to the lag, again, you're completely on your own on that. You see to have no relative perspective to the market.
Usually it is "3" when listening to voice mail...which deletes the message!
That part is the most frustrating, although someone might reply to this saying that this actually doesn't happen.
Im in Denmark, we usually get the newest iPhone a couple of weeks after the US. Availability is one of the reasons the Nexus brand isn't as big as it could be.
Even in Korea, where the phone's manufacturer (LG) is based, it took several months for Nexus 4 to become officially available. Lots of hurdles, including LG not wanting to cannibalize sales of its other phones.
edit: Also, the phone is sold here (from regular stores, or through carriers), just Google Play doesn't sell it. So only Google is to blame here.
I do not see how carriers in Europe could block sales of Nexus 4. In fact, I think there is even some EU law against this(limiting phones).
I think the real reason has to do with Google not willing to jump through some regulatory hurdles for each EU country.
It would be interesting to see what exactly is preventing them from selling.
The one I use is "Missed Call Reminder", but there are plenty of others.
If you miss stuff, try using an app that repeats them at an interval, sorry, can't remember the name now.
I'm not even in/from Australia, but have used them a couple of times, including for 2 macs and a nexus 4. Highly recommended.
I provided an option for those people.
He was just clarifying this.
The phone you point to might be a few bucks cheaper, but it has 1/2 the RAM, 1/2-1/4 internal storage, and while the MTK6589 performs surprisingly well for a Mediatek chip, it still performs below the Nexus 4's S4Pros both for CPU and GPU. The screen is also much lower res and 245ppi vs 320ppi. It doesn't have any support for LTE (Nexus 4 is flashable to Band 4) and doesn't appear to support NFC, or, probably more importantly, BT4/BTLE. There's also no front camera or a flash (!) on the back camera.
Of course, the worst thing is that it's already running an outdated (4.1.2) version of Android and is unlikely to be updated. There's a small community working on ROMs but it's sketchy (no dedicated forum on XDA, no CM port, much less an official build).
If you buy the A820, and almost all the other Shanzai'd devices, you effectively get a dead product, while w/ the Nexus 4 you'll get better hardware and both official and community support for years.
Seems like a no-brainer for a $50-100 difference.
You can use a Nexus 4 as a simple wifi device without a sim card at all if you don't want cellular data.
As far as updates go, that is harder to say. I would be shocked if the Nexus 4 doesn't get Key Lime Pie. After that? Who knows... but I'd say the same for the Nexus 7, even the newer one. Key Lime Pie will probably be around for a long while with minor point upgrades much like Jellybean was.
In any case, if this is for development I wouldn't worry about it that much. There are relatively few points where Android diverged enough that it makes a huge difference to developers if the OS they are developing on is the very newest or slightly older.
For example, you can pretty much target Ice Cream Sandwich and above right now and it makes very little difference in terms of how you develop and which APIs you'd use.
And if you have to develop on systems even older than that, the combination of the Android Support Library here:
And ActionBarSherlock here:
do a good job of smoothing this sort of thing out from a developer's point of view even if you're developing on Froyo or Gingerbread era devices.
The reason I ask is because I enjoy being in possession of very few things, and those that I own should preferably be pocket-sized. I read about developers daisy-chaining multiple hi-res displays and developers who use 11" ultrabooks and presumably Alt-Tab to get to other windows.
I managed to take the phone back this morning after reading this, and get a full refund, and have now just ordered the phone direct from Google Play for 249 EUR (plus 9.99 EU shipping).
As a mental note I should always order online. In the EU you automatically get 14 days grace to return something for ANY reason (EU law). My spontaneous purchase on Saturday could have cost me 70 EUR more than it had to!
The hassle was some of the people had the issue originated from a radio firmware (software). So I spent my evening unlocking the bootloader, rooting and flashing various rom without success to understand it was a hardware issue in my case (half the people complaining have software defect, the other half hardware).
Ended up buying an iPhone instead (my first).
Google Play shows:
8GB: 199€ (+9.99€ shipping) = 208.99€
16GB: 249€ (+9.99€ shipping) = 258.98€
Personally, I'm going to hold off to see if they release something new, though. I wish the battery life on the Nexus 4 was better.
It's actually a little more responsive than my 2012 model Nexus 7 tablet. Which is why I've been considering getting a new N7.
I've also played with both using the Chromecast, and have to say it's pretty nice and works smoother for Netflix than my typical pattern in the past, which was queue up stuff on my tablet/phone, then use my roku (bedroom) or the tv's built in player (living room).
Can't say enough positive about this phone.
I mean, the last phones two were released in November, but I wouldn't really call that "typical" with that few data points.
The second-gen Nexus 7 which just made a debut kept the same name. Same will likely apply to the next-generation Nexus 10 as well.
That said, they should avoid the naming scheme of the galaxy line (e.g. Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0).
eg: Nexus 7 (2013).
Some retailers do this but a lot of them dont
And then I read some rumors saying it will have a full 5" screen. We'll see.
None of the Nexus devices fit in the pockets of the clothes of women I know. (First world problems, yes, but I wish I could recommend an Android device to them that they could carry around without having to use a purse. It doesn't help that Android is eating into the low-end market; barely anyone makes feature phones in the old candybar and flip form factors.)
I wish I could recommend an Android device to
them that they could carry around without having
to use a purse
But check out Aliexpress.com, and you will find lots of small form factors, if you're ok with ordering direct from China.
Even if it isn't available in a "basic pleasure model" configuration.
I gave up and decided not to spend the hours trying to find the best Android tablet that runs (or can run) stock. Still haven't bought one, despite my interest.
I'm currently on the iPhone 4S so it'll be interesting to try this out while I wait for the latest iPhone announcements
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There are ends to the pricing strategy spectrum take: low price, high volume (aka market penetration) or higher price lower volume (aka differentiation). The former is about matching specs and winning on price (eg, last years's Galaxy S model). The latter is about making something a little different that some people are willing to pay a little more for, usually at the cost of volume (eg, Samsung Galaxy S note).
The Nexus 4 was squarely in the category of large screen Android phones that all major manufacturers have been selling like crazy as their flagship products for the last year. They all compete with similar prices and specs. Nexus 4 matches the spec, priced 30% lower!
Great, cut price market penetration strategy!
Accept that the product hasn't been available. It's not in phone/electronics stores. Its not on Amazon. Its not available in most countries. Its not available from carriers (I like this, but if you are taking this position, find other distribution channels) etc. etc.
Whats the point of that? They could have been selling this as a niche product at a higher margin and made some good money. Alternatively, they could have gotten it into stores at the $300 price they were supposedly selling it at and outsold the S3, especially in Europe where other manufacturers add a big markup over US prices.
They set a standard price/spec range for a high end android. The first couple of nexus phones led to the current generation flagship Androids. The first couple of nexus tablets led to the current generation of Android tablets and discovered a great opening.: 7-8" @ ~$200-$250. They even forced Apple to play catch-up.
The Nexus 4 doesn't make sense. What are they trying to do here? Sell phones? Maybe you should put them in shops where people can buy them. Concept phone? That doesn't make sense either. Nexus 4 is pretty similar to the top selling androids that already exist.
My Nexus 4 is a hell of a lot more responsive than my girlfriend's Galaxy S4
Being as performant helps Android ecosystem by making the developers to develop apps that work well also in other models than just in the high-end models.
Getting the updates earlier helps developers to prepare their software for the new Android version so that when Samsung and other big players release the new version to their phones, the software is already updated. It's like using beta iOS.
So I don't think that Google's trying to make money, at least directly, with Nexus phones/tablets and instead they're just to help developers and Android ecosystem.
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For the most expensive phones, you pay a large premium for the newest models, and you pay a large premium for brand names, and a bit extra for better build quality in some cases (but not always - a lot of the reasonably unknown Chinese brands deliver very solid phones), and it adds up quickly.
Thanks to Google maths I presume!!
There's plenty of choice really.
I knew my colleague is looking for a mobile as he lost his one last weekend. He wants a mid range one as he keeps losing/breaking his mobile! I told him about this one but he had already ordered one yesterday. Well, he cancelled his order and has now placed the order for Nexus 4!
At least I know that the next time I lose it, a replacement will be cheaper :-)
With this price reduction, I guess Apple should cancel their 5S/5C event, no need since the phones will flop due to everyone with their shiny Nexus 4's.
Why I would not buy a N4: No removable storage. I don't trust my data in the hands of a cloud provider, I want it on my phone where it is completely under my control.
I've tried a bunch of Qi chargers. Samsung's official S3/S4 charger is my favorite. They cheap out and don't include a USB cable or power supply, though, so you have to buy those separately. (Anker sells one on Amazon that does include a power supply that works great with the N4. Works very poorly with the S4, though, which just goes to show you how flaky random Chinese imports can be, even if you pay $50 for them.)
Personally, if I'm storing important memories, I am NOT going to trust a loseable, breakable thing in my pocket to be the final resting place of JPEGs.
1) The assumption that the person who owns the phone owns a computer, rather than borrows someone else's when they need it.
Modern phones have hdmi outputs, and work with bluetooth keyboards. It is entirely feasible for the average person to use a high-end phone as their primary computing device. Especially with the carrier subsidies making the up-front cost so low. This will only become more common as phones get more powerful.
2) When you've moved the data off your phone it is no longer immediately at hand.
Flash storage is cheap and only getting cheaper, leaving off a micro-sd slot is all about pushing a cloud-storage paradigm rather than letting the user decide.
So maybe ok, if you don't have a computer, don't buy a Nexus 4. Or buy a computer with the difference of prices between a S4 and a N4.
Or is the concept to keep a pile of sd-cards with all your data on it? I guess it is conceivable, but why would anybody want that?
Go figure, I couldn't wait any longer and Google couldn't do this any sooner.
Just my luck!
The only reason I didn't want to get an S4 was because of the form factor.
Once the mini came out, at only $50 - $100 more, it was a no-brainer.
Now, though, I would make a different purchasing decision.
Although, experience tells me that with the price recently dropped, that probably means they are trying to empty shelves and clear our their backlog to make way for a new unit coming in the next few months.
Soo......I am not sure what I would do - to be honest.
Overall, am happy with my S4 Mini :)
Also, the only features of the Nexus 4 i would class as "starter" is the price (really cheap, accessible to a lot of peopl) and maybe the fast updates. That's about it. The camera is good, not the best, but more than good enough for casual stuff like Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.
I would be very grateful if anyone traveling to India could get one for me, since Google doesn't sell it in India (and local dealers sell it around 400 USD)
If they offered a 64 gig model, I'd buy it. Obviously, a microSD slot would be ideal, but that would go against Google's current religious crusade to rid the world of local storage :)
Maybe, just maybe, that's why we've seen the same exact move for the past 3 years in a row.
But what do I know?
I bought my first tablet, a Nook HD+, last week, because I wanted something I could use to read technical docs when I do cardio. I wanted something bargain basement cheap because I don't want to feel bad if it gets smashed.
Barnes and Noble has made the decision to deliver the most possible value per $ for customers by making the Nook HD+ compatible with Google Play and Kindle. The device isn't the most powerful and doesn't have a camera or GPS, but the screen is great.
Other tablet vendors are going to be rushing to deliver products that appeal to different market segments. Quite exciting!