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  Your post advocates a
  
  ( ) technical ( ) legislative (X) market-based ( ) vigilante
  
  approach to "fixing" advertising. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't
  work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may
  have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law
  was passed.)

  (X) Advertisers will not stand for it
  (X) The advertising industry will not go away anytime soon
  (X) Unintrusive, legitimate advertising would be affected
  ( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
  (X) It won't reach critical mass
  ( ) It will make things better for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
  (X) Google will not put up with it
  ( ) The police will not put up with it
  ( ) Requires too much cooperation from advertisers
  ( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
  (X) Many existing sites cannot afford to lose existing deals
  (X) Users won't pay for it
  ( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
  
  Specifically, your plan fails to account for

  ( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
  ( ) Lack of a centrally controlling authority
  ( ) People who will ignore it
  ( ) Asshats
  ( ) Jurisdictional problems
  ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of advertising
  (X) Huge existing software investment in advertising
  (X) All the other sites that will still have advertising
  (X) Extreme profitability of regular advertising
  (X) Trustworthiness of provider
  ( ) Technically illiterate politicians
  (X) Extreme stupidity on the part of webmasters
  (X) Dishonesty on the part of webmasters themselves
  
  and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
  
  (X) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
    been shown practical
  (X) Paying for stuff sucks
  ( ) Not paying for stuff sucks
  ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
  (X) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
  ( ) Incompatiblity with existing business models
  ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
  (X) I don't want a third-party tracking my site visits
  
  Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
  
  (X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
  ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
  ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
      house down!



Your main issues seem to be privacy and that advertisers "won't stand for it". The privacy angle makes no sense given the context, as ad networks are already tracking your site visits. Plus, the average user doesn't care. As far as advertisers, what are they going to do? There's already tons of websites that offer the ability to remove ads for users who purchase a premium subscription...this is basically the same thing, just that your subscription amount is effectively based on pageviews, rather than a fixed price.

All that said, my biggest concerns would be that it's a huge chicken-and-egg problem, plus the difficulty of getting users to pay for content they're used to getting for free.

Oh, and you come across sounding like a real asshole.


I posted some poor humor about a company. You respond with personal name-calling. That is unfortunate. It's a real shame on you for stooping to a personal attack, but I'll get over it :)


Glad to hear it.


I'm sorry this is necessary, but yes, it's a bad attempt at humor based on the "why your anti-spam proposal won't work" meme of many years ago: http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt


This is a very bad attempt at humor and is not in the spirit of HN. From what I have seen, we are all about encouraging innovation, new ideas, and discussion. The GP simply discourages them.

I make a point not to spend time around the pessimistic downer crowd, and it ticks me off when someone shoots down an idea offhandedly. I sincerely hope HN does not move in this direction.


"Pessimistic downer crowd"? I thought we were above personal attacks here. This is more of a "downer" action than engaging in a little poorly placed humor. I was poking fun at an idea, whereas you're making a bunch of personal judgments which is rather disappointing and unfortunate.

Did you miss my post where I said it was a bad attempt at humor? Shame on you for trying to make me personally feel bad.


You don't think your callous attempt at a humorous put-down of someone's business concept could make them personally feel bad? I love that because you're railing on someone's idea, it's all fun and games, but if someone calls you on it, you play the victim card. Stop defending yourself for your immature and dismissive comment and just apologize.


You are missing the difference between disparaging an idea versus a person. They are totally different situations.

Shame on you for thinking that disparaging people is valid revenge for people who merely poke fun at ideas. Talk about making it personal.


HN is not the place to regurgitate stupid old slashdot memes that add little or nothing to the conversation.

There are a number of ways that you could have phrased your response that would have stimulated real discussion instead of "har har lolz anti-spam newbz"


I disagree. This "form style" response may be a meme, may be in a humourous vein, but it serves the important purpose of ramming home to the inventor the well-known difficulties of implementing their scheme and the long, long history of similar inventions in the past.

I don't even have to look at this new scheme to know it won't work. It won't work because it relies on a critical mass, and until it gets that critical mass sites won't switch, and until they do users won't sign up, so there's no critical mass .. your classic chicken and egg problem. No-one is going to pay unless everyone else has to pay. There is nothing to force everyone to move at once. See: history of "penny stamp" email anti-spam ideas.

The form style helps ram these notions home; it's a welcome reality check in situations like these.

(updated to stay on topic)


Wow! How long did it take you to type up all that?




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