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Ask HN: What proof is there that Snowden is safe?
27 points by joewee on June 29, 2013 | hide | past | web | favorite | 17 comments
I don't trust anything Assange has to say. Besides Assange's tweets, what proof is there that Snowden isn't been held in Russia and that he is safe?

Vladimir Putin, the President of Russia, publicly said that Snowden isn't held in Russia.

   Putin said Snowden remained in Sheremetyevo airport's  
   transit area and vowed that Moscow would not extradite 
   the whistleblower to the US. He also insisted that 
   Russia's security services had no contact with Snowden, 
   a claim greeted with suspicion.

We haven't received a sign of life from Snowden for six days now, we don't know for sure if he is safe.

"My friend Olga Bychkova, a host from radio Echo of Moscow, described a scene she witnessed in the airport's transit zone on the day of Snowden's arrival on Sunday. "I saw about 20 Russian officials, supposedly FSB [security service] agents in suits, crowding around somebody in a restricted area of the airport," Bychkova told me. "The Kremlin pretends they have nothing to do with him being stuck in Moscow, but in reality they're all over him." http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/06/26/the_no_show

Oh, well, if Vladimir Putin says everything's OK.

Good read: http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Without-Face-Unlikely/dp/15944...

Hey, GWB looked deep into his eyes. If he trusts him, I trust him.

I'm curious about why don't you trust anything Assange has to say? What generated this explicit distrust? Media reports? Former acquaintances?

Personally, I'm more inclined to distrust any media reports & criticism of Assange, because their sources tend to have some sort of ulterior motive (fame, smear, counter-intel).

The best smear campaigns happen when you have recruited former insiders. It's more believable and the population likes juicy details.

And to answer your question, Wikileaks has a staff member accompanying Snowden, so they probably have a clear idea of the situation.

If I was Snowden I would try to quietly disappear and let everyone think I was still in the airport for months or years.

I had a crazy idea the other day that we find as many Snowden doppelgängers as possible. We all fly to Moscow and give him our passports. We then all wait in the airport an allotted time until Snowden is safe somewhere else and then all report that our passports have been misplaced and apply for temporary new ones to return home.

Does anyone know if this Twitter account is actually his? https://twitter.com/EJosephSnowden

If that's the case, then that is pretty good proof that he's doing ok, and can also connect to the internet :-)

However, scrolling down his Twitter timeline, it seems that there's a lot of auto-generated tweets. Not sure.

Doesn't look real. No mentions of his fathers interview and no one in the mainstream media has spoken to him.

I assume the russians have him until he gives them all the information he still has which has not been leaked to the media yet.

I'm not 100% up on exactly every aspect of this, but why would Assange lie?

Not saying he is lying, but it seems like he is misrepresenting how much control or influence wikileaks has in being able to protect Snowden.

Has anyone in the airport actually seen him in the transit area?

The only person who says they might have seen him said he was surrounded by people that look like FSB. See the foreignpolicy article.

Only one?

Well, the whole thing baffles me. Why haven't Greenwald or Assange provided evidence of his safety?

Assange making claims that he had safe passage to Ecuador only to have that discredited calls into question anything he has said about his safety up until this point.

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