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PavlovsCat 317 days ago | link | parent

> doublespeak. Knowingly stating the exact opposite of what is true as fact

I don't think so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

> The only way it would be more obviously doublespeak is to say "Spying is privacy".

That's where it would begin to be doublespeak, at least as far as I understand it.

Regardless of wether it's doublespeak, it surely is a Big Lie: Nobody spies more on American citizens than American intelligence agencies. Let's just assume that as fact. Now,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie : "a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

To say "We’re the only ones not spying on the American people" when nobody else does it more, that's oh so very clearly a Big Lie to me.



retrogradeorbit 316 days ago | link

When Winston Smith finds Goldstein's book, in that is written the principles of doublethink (The term doublespeak is not actually used in the book). The famous lines "Ignorance is Strength" etc. But the Ministry of Truth does not broadcast these to the people. The Ministry of Peace does not broadcast "War is peace". It broadcasts "We have always been at war with Eastasia." A big lie.

My point is it doesn't have to be the principles of doublespeak as outlined in Goldstein's book to be doublespeak. The Ministries application of the principles of doublespeak appear to the populace as a big lie.

"But it means also the ability to BELIEVE that black is white, and more, to KNOW that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as DOUBLETHINK." -- George Orwell

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