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Benchmarking the Go frontend for GCC 4.8.0 (alsonkemp.com)
33 points by CoffeeDregs 848 days ago | 26 comments



This seems too simplistic. I am almost tempted to download the two frontends just to see why it is so much bigger.

Lots of inlining (which -O3 would cause, it always does. I often find -O2 produces faster executables)? Debugging information? Pulling in the standard library?

A compiler doesn't produce an extra 3MB of code for no good reason.

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Yeah, static linking could explain the code size difference. On my machine where I have gccgo 4.8 built and installed the Gccgo produced executable is way smaller than go 1.1 rc1 built. Go builds static executables whereas installed gccgo with just -O3 builds a dynamic one.

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Run 'strip' on it.

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'strip' will remove symbols - debug or unused, but that doesn't change the way static libraries work - all the code, instead of being in the shared library dependency is stuffed into the executable. That's still going to be there.

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Just did. Huge difference. Updating.

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    This seems too simplistic. 
Definitely. I intended it as a reasonably quick comparison of Go and GCCGo, to see if GCCGo warranted further investigation right now. I really like the GCC toolchain so look forward to it supporting Go fully, but, as someone else noted, the Go compiler seems "fast enough".

    I often find -O2 produces faster executables)?
Agreed. Probably should have used O2 or Os. I just recompiled with them and didn't see any significant difference.

Anyhow, the post was really about answering the question: should you as a user of (and not developer of) Go check out GCCGo right now? From my perspective, I'm sticking with Go's compiler.

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Just FYI: Os hasn't been faster than O2 or O3 on desktop computers for many years, except for the apple branch of 4.2.

The only reason it was ever faster is because of backend related issues that should be long since solved.

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Why would anyone care about relative code size or compile time for a program this small? This is obviously a "cost of entry" issue.

I have trouble imagining that doubling the code size and complexity of the "mandel" example would double the compile time or code size with either example. Why not try a handful of programs to get a scatterplot between the two toolchains?

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    Why would anyone care about relative code size or compile
    time for a program this small?
Because it can be extrapolated [obviously, not perfectly]... The nice thing about a mandelbrot benchmark is that it's FP and optimization driven, so does a decent quick-and-dirty job of illuminating the parallelizable performances produced by different compilers. Once you add in regexes, databases, etc, you move beyond the compiler and on to the performance of secondary or tertiary systems.

    Why not try a handful of programs to get a scatterplot
    between the two toolchains?
Because relative to the question I was trying to answer ("as someone investigating Go, should I also investigate GCCGo?"), that would be a waste of time. Were I to have gotten a result that suggested that GCCGo was markedly better along some dimension, I would have done more testing to quantify "markedly".

Go is a lovely, young language, but the GCCGo implementation is very young. The GCCGo folks will catch up soon enough with Google. Until then, Google has produced a nice toolchain for you.

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I'm not arguing that it's a bad microbenchmark for FP run-time performance.

I'm arguing that it's a bad microbenchmark for compile time and code size. I'm not all that familiar with go, but in most systems I've used, if you write a really tiny program, you will find that there's a "fixed cost of entry' where the standard libraries get munged through the linker (or whatever) and that writing a program 10x larger will not cost you 10x as much. Since you took only one measurement of one program, you have no idea what the trend lines might look like here.

It seems like you are going out of your way to do this badly and make a snap judgement that you can proclaim to the world.

I am surprised at the extent to which you seem to think you need to ration your investigation and avoid wasting your time by the exhausting task of "also investigating GCCGo".

Also, in the world of high-performance computing, 10% for zero programmer effort is huge.

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>>Because it can be extrapolated...<<

How can we extrapolate from a single data point? We need 2 points for any kind of line.

>>Were I to have gotten a result that suggested that GCCGo was markedly better along some dimension...<<

Maybe you would have gotten that result on a different program?

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The article doesn't mention which version of gc and which version of gccgo was used. Why do people post benchmarks without such basic information?

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Apologies. Though the HN post title says 4.8.0, I didn't mention anything about it or the Go version in the blog post. I'll add those. GCC was 4.8.0. Go was 1.1rc1. Both AMD64.

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I'm also curious about a larger swath of tests -- a single algorithm can hardly characterize a whole compiler.

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Not only that, but I have heard people say that for compute (code generation) bound tests that are single threaded GCCGO does better; however, if you run code with many goroutines (which most Go programs have) the standard Go compiler is faster.

As of 1.1 Go code generation is also drastic improved. I would love to see Go 1.0.3 vs Go 1.1 vs GCCGO tests with a wide sample of programs.

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Did some of the go benchmarks on the lunch-break, I used standard 'go build' for the go results, and "go build -compiler gccgo -gccgoflags '-O3 -march=native'" for the gccgo results.

The compilers where : Go 1.1rc, GccGo version 4.8.0 20130502 (prerelease), on an Arch Linux 64-bit system, Core i5

  binary-tree.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m0.932s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m1.835s

  binary-tree-freelist.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m0.165s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m0.307s

  chameneosredux.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m10.163s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m5.620s

  fannkuch.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m44.533s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m56.389s

  fannkuch-parallel.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m26.525s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m27.855s

  fasta.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m1.126s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m1.250s

  mandelbrot.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m30.004s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m30.537s

  nbody.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m11.423s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m12.620s

  pidigits.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m7.333s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m2.321s

  spectral-norm.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m12.259s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m13.389s

  spectral-norm-parallel.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m3.142s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m6.695s

  threadring.go
  gccgo-4.8:  0m37.421s
  go-1.1rc1:  0m9.800s
Overall I'd say Go did better as in the instances GccGo won (although more numerous) it was typically with a small margin while on those GccGo lost we had larger margins.

Overall Go 1.1rc seems to have improved quite a bit from my previous test (1.0x) unless my memory betrays me.

Note that these are far from all the 'computer language benchmarks game' tests, only those which I managed to get done during lunch break, and as such they may skew the results compared to a full benchmark comparison.

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Note, the programs in go/test/bench are not necessarily the same as the Go programs shown on the benchmarks game.

Most to the point, the mandelbrot program shown on the benchmarks game is not the same -- someone contributed an improved program to the benchmarks game.

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Good to know, as such it would be a more apt comparison to use the currently best Go versions from the benchmarks game as they better reflect where Go stands performance-wise (with the usual micro benchmark disclaimer).

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And to be fair, that's what CoffeeDregs did originally.

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There is a benchmark test which includes the 'computer language benchmarks game' (aka language shootout) programs in the Go source tree under go/test/bench/shootout

Last time I checked GccGo won most of them hands down and even more so when you changed the optimization from -O2 to -O3 (on my machines atleast 'i5/i7' -O2 always lost to -O3 in these tests so I don't know why they defaulted to -O2 here).

This was on 1.03 I think, I haven't checked on 1.1x as of yet and given that there's been improvements in the Go compiler the overall results may have changed considerably.

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IMHO, both compile fast enough. Either gccgo or gc, it's acceptable, and is much faster than compiling a similar-size C program. What matters would be the code they produce. Compiler optimization is what makes the difference.

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In the snippets for `time`, by the end of the article, the `>` symbols have been escaped to their HTML equivalent:

   time ./mandel.golang 16000 &gt; /dev/null 
   time ./mandel.gccgo 16000 &gt; /dev/null 
They also happen to be within two `<pre>` tags. I guess there's something wrong in the rendering of your snippets.

I say 'your' assuming that OP is the author.

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You're correct about "your". Fixed. Thanks.

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How long did each take to compile?

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I'll add that, but: GCCGo Direct [not called by go]: 0.3s Go: 0.5s

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This is important as one of the motivations behind Go is fast compilation.

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