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That will simply turn off some people and there is no reason for a self-interested business to do that.

Actually, judging by your comment and the ensuing replies, it looks like listing the benefit this way is doing a great job attracting the people they want and filtering out those who wouldn't fit in there.

Any business where people who use a different windowing system to get to their editor and shell "don't fit in" is not a business many high level hackers would be interested in at all.

Even PG's Lisp versus Blub argument is tenuous. Languages and OSes are a dime a dozen. What matters are algorithms and real world results. If you don't see that that's fine, but some real machine learning company thinking at the level of algorithms and not tools will eventually come along and eat your (company provided) lunch.

... is not a business many high level hackers would be interested in at all.

If you don't see that that's fine ....

You sound very defensive about this, which leads to the flip side of your argument: any prospect who can't take the lightest of jabs at their pet platform is not a person many "high level" startups would be interested in at all.

The 81 upvotes (of 191 for the story as a whole) on my original post and the replies here with people overtly stating they'd like to work for the company but were immediately turned off by that phrase I think prove my point. If we consider the jobs page as a kind of landing page and were A/B testing different different phrases it's clear this one would not survive.

I understand you are making an app on iOS though and it would be perfectly legitimate for you to have constraints on employee setups because of that. But for a company working on a RoR project where the window manager doesn't matter, who seem to be having trouble recruiting, I'd suggest the data here clearly indicates they should drop the phrase as there is no way (looking at those numbers) it is helping them filter out some trouble making characters with a bad attitude towards Apple, it's turning a huge number of people off. And as I said elsewhere, there are companies certainly paying more and certainly working on more interesting problems who don't do this.

It's negging, before the first date has even happened.

I use Macs, and the impression that comment gives me is they care about things that don't matter.

C'mon, you're beating up a strawman. All they said is that you may have to justify the decision. I wouldn't want to work there if the tools were forced on me without any say but that doesn't seem to be the case.

It makes sense to standardize and to have a reason if you want to deviate (said from the perspective of someone that would want to deviate). However, I'd still reword it if I were them, based on this reaction.

Just as good programmers are those fluent in many languages, a good programmer should also be fluent in many operating systems.

Hypothetically, if Mac went under and ceased to exist, do you really want to be that business that relies entirely on Mac ecosystem?

IMO Linux is simply the safest OS to rely on because it's open source.

> IMO Linux is simply the safest OS to rely on because it's open source.

Anyone who buys brand new hardware can attest to the contrary, because of the lack of drivers.

Windows is the safest OS to rely for business. It's also way overpriced, in part, because of business.

I know I will not buy an AMD HD 7000 series yet for my Ubuntu rig because some things don't work in the OS driver.

We both love OSS, but please be objective and look at the issue from all perspectives.

I really doubt OS X or Windows are going anywhere anytime soon

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