I really do hope that they progress on the path they started instead of just acquiring mailbox for the talent. I know they said that they would but thats what we heard about Sparrow when they were bought by Google and the results sucked.
Good luck to everyone on the mailbox team, I love your product, please don't kill it.
> " To be clear, Mailbox is not going away. The product needs to grow fast, and we believe that joining Dropbox is the best way to make that happen. Plus, imagine what cool things you could do if your Mailbox was connected to your Dropbox…"
(actually, come work on it: https://www.dropbox.com/jobs :))
Every time someone here responds when their name is mentioned, I think of this scene from "Annie Hall":
Alvy Singer: [the man behind him in line is talking loudly] What I wouldn't give for a large sock with horse manure in it!
Alvy Singer: [to audience] Whaddya do when you get stuck in a movie line with a guy like this behind you?
Man in Theatre Line: Wait a minute, why can't I give my opinion? It's a free country!
Alvy Singer: He can give it... do you have to give it so loud? I mean, aren't you ashamed to pontificate like that? And the funny part of it is, Marshall
McLuhan, you don't know anything about Marshall McLuhan!
Man in Theatre Line: Oh, really? Well, it just so happens I teach a class at Columbia called "TV, Media and Culture." So I think my insights into Mr. McLuhan, well, have a great deal of validity!
Alvy Singer: Oh, do ya? Well, that's funny, because I happen to have Mr. McLuhan right here, so, so, yeah, just let me...
[pulls McLuhan out from behind a nearby poster]
Alvy Singer: come over here for a second... tell him!
Marshall McLuhan: I heard what you were saying! You know nothing of my work! You mean my whole fallacy is wrong. How you got to teach a course in anything is totally amazing!
Alvy Singer: Boy, if life were only like this!
(Sometimes it is here at Hacker News.)
By the way, I'm Woody Allen.
Hmm, I don't think that feature works like that. Try watch?v=OpIYz8tfGjY#t=1m44s
Without a more clear rationale for why things won't change, it's pretty reasonable to assume that the product is at risk no matter what you say. The fact is, almost regardless of your intentions, your organization is going to put its thumbprint on the product.
What that means is unclear to external customers, and is also often unclear internally. If you do know what your plans are for it internally, you're still probably not going to say (though I'd love to be wrong).
It's not actually the case that every single acquisition in the world involves public platitudes about the continuance of management, the product, culture, office location, or lunch room perks.
Just a literally a metric ton of them.
P.S. Use "practically" instead.
- hey look, Drew Houston disguised as Woody Allen
- what? Really? Or figuratively ?
- Both, but I will literally explode if another negative comment gets upvoted
... [Hamlet music plays as man lights cigar (UK only)]
I'm open to your Mailbox acquisition being the exception to this trend, but I hope you understand my healthy skepticism.
I don't know the American standard, but I'd be surprised if it isn't similar.
I just hope the boss will understand working on my start-up in my off time is important :)
Money straight out the window. Ungh.
Like Sparrow, it seems it's more marketing and hype than a radical upgrade to the email experience.
a. launch an email service that runs off the space in your dropbox, or
b. automatically create dropbox folders shared between all recipients of an attachment and automatically set permissions.
I can already use google's Drive storage for email attachments and attach a reference to the file.
Maybe GDrive lets you store those formats, but I've never had GMail offer that as an alternative. It just stops me from sending executables around even though that is an integral part of what I do.
If you try attaching any file above 30 MB in GMail, it prompts you to send it "via Google Drive" instead, and automatically uploads it there.
In Outlook.com (was Hotmail), you can send a large file by sending a link to a file in SkyDrive. You don't have to upload the file to SkyDrive first; it's just an extension to the "attach file" feature within Outlook.com.
GMail has a similar integration with GDrive.
Hopefully the acquisition by Dropbox speeds up the line, maybe?
I used it once, realized it turns my inbox into a todo app, and uninstalled it.
I'm still curious to see if I like it (I am an inbox-zero person), so I'll stick it out.. But yeah, I've been in line for 3 weeks now or so, I think...
Then I read about stuff like this.
Mailbox could be a first step to competing with Messages/gChat. Instead of rolling out their own email, Dropbox can be another type of account Mailbox works with to send pictures, videos, files over data rather than texting or emailing. An odd feature to roll out without acquiring a popular product, but making Dropbox the goto rather than the link attached to something else.
There used to be the joke that every software expands until it can read mail. Nowadays I think we need a new saying. Every software company expands until... it has rebuilt every other software product (not as catchy).
"Every software company expands until it has implemented half of Emacs."
Sort of a product-centric version of Greenspun's rule.
Drive's killer feature, though, is collaboration.
Please, please let this mean that they plan on supporting EAS. Migrating to Google Apps for Business in not an option for me, and everyone and his brother is building fancy IMAP-only email clients, while I'm stuck with the default mail client on my iPhone. I love Mailbox's interface, but I barely get a chance to use it, as my primary email address that 99% of my email goes through is on Outlook.com-hosted email.
Also, EAS is proprietary, whereas IMAP is open. Outlook.com should simply add IMAP support.
To be clear, Mailbox is not going away. The product needs to grow fast, and we believe that joining Dropbox is the best way to make that happen. Plus, imagine what cool things you could do if your Mailbox was connected to your Dropbox.
I'm so glad that Mailbox is going to stay alive. It has been just one month since I removed Sparrow and started using Mailbox mostly.
My outsider view: they are going to build a full-fledged productivity suite. They have the storage, versioning, you can view files/docs and now you have an email client. The "obvious" next move would be getting into the online document editing space. But then, this is me just speculating from the sidelines.
Meanwhile, the mobile e-mail client that the Mailbox team built is so cool that it convinced about a million people to let Mailbox store a full copy of their e-mail archive ... in 10 weeks.
That kind of strategic value means it's smart for them to swoop the product and team up RIGHT NOW, even if they had to pay a premium to do it.
I do - Dropbox isn't and doesn't want to be just a dumb, syncable file store. First your photos, now your email.
Here's to a stronger Dropbox and a long-life for Mailbox!
Why not do a funding round?
- Cash out the existing (presumably closely-held) equity
holders with 100% of deal proceeds.
Reduce execution risk by getting the team access to:
- Existing battle-tested deployment infrastructure (& devops)
- Existing pool of engineers that can be assigned to the project, and who are familiar with the infrastructure
- HR, facilities, logistics, support, etc...
(1) join dropbox, probably for a pretty penny with stock options that will probably look very nice when Dropbox goes public -- fuel further growth and integration with Dropbox with even more significant resources at your disposal (including HIRING really good engineers a la "come work for Dropbox!")
(2) stay as a high-risk start-up with no revenue, no tested plans of monetization with huge problems of scale (due to its rapid growth) and create a funding round which liquidates your ownership stake significantly, puts you @ the mercy of some risk averse VC's and limits your exit options (depending upon valuation)
I love the product, but I have to admit this (1) would be my choice as well
I hope mailbox having the right place to continue growing as a good product.
Furthermore: I love the current startup markets, so many awesome products. But still there are bunch of craps which have new and fancy interfaces but nothing inside. Rather joining the big and create big thing together :)
Now that leaves Apple and MS...
I have one hell of a startup app idea. Anybody out there good with objective-c?
So,I think Dropbox has just acquire mailbox not for killing it but to enter a different domain.
How can an app like Mailbox make you mad? Here is how:
I'm still waiting in the queue for over a month now to even try the app. Scarcity is the mental mind hack used to increase demand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cialdini)...but for me personally its backfired. If Dropbox's resources can help here, I'm all for it. Good luck.
Also, a note to mailbox web designer, try adding more contrast to your text so I can actually read it.
1. iOS gets new apps faster. In this case, Mailbox is iOS
2. Accessories are harder to find for the large gamut of Android-running devices.
(being an Android fan, I have a self-interest in getting companies to release Android apps faster than they currently do)
Mailbox was free. No business model. Their own business model surely was acquisition. Did you thought they were last to the point of an IPO or charging for their service? Me not.
I'm a premium Dropbox user with multiple terabytes of storage. (We deal with large files that have to be shared among many users widely dispersed.) I've been using it for a while now. When dealing with large files, it's slow, clunky, and restrictive. You have to use the desktop client to upload files of any appreciable size, and then you get zero feedback on the file's progress. I just don't see how $3,500 a year for that is better than the cost of an old-school FTP server.
I'm curious if any of you are in a similar situation but have had a better experience.
>>To be clear, Mailbox is not going away. The product needs to grow fast, and we believe that joining Dropbox is the best way to make that happen. Plus, imagine what cool things you could do if your Mailbox was connected to your Dropbox.
I can see how it would be a good thing between Dropbox's legs but how could it be profitable on its own?