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It will probably be unpopular to say so: But learn how to strip DRM. If you paid for it, you should own it.



> If you paid for it, you should own it

That's facially nonsense. I pay for my apartment--it doesn't mean I own it.

You pay for the specific rights you purchase. It's morally wrong to bargain for one set of rights and use a broader set.


This is nitpicking. He clearly meant to say:

> If you bought it, you should own it.

If the "real" meaning if the transaction is "rent till we decide you can't anymore", then it shouldn't be misrepresented as a purchase.


If the "real" meaning if the transaction is "rent till we decide you can't anymore", then it shouldn't be misrepresented as a purchase.

it is a purchase, you purchased the rights to some piece of content for some period of time.


No, if you want to keep it formal - it's not a purchase. It's rental. But since it's presented to people as purchase, people should treat it as purchase. And don't claim that people who buy it are buying any "rights" (i.e. keeping in mind to buy some abstract "rights"). They are buying content.


There isn't a dichotomy between rent and purchase. In both cases, you're buying a bundle of rights with respect to somemthing. You may buy use of something yet be restricted in that use. Consider buying a condo. You "own" the condo, but there are all sorts of restrictions on what you can do.

The real question is: are people aware of the terms of the deal? Are the aware of the specific rights they are purchasing when they buy DRM content? I think they are.


Dichotomy is in perception. Rental can be formally called "buying rights to use it for limited time". Still there are two distinctly perceived use cases (even if not fully formal) - "buying" and "renting". Buying implies owning it, renting implies limited usage (not owning it). Distributed content is presented to people as "purchase", while DRM attempts to limit the use case to "renting". It's misleading and unfair. As long as it's presented as "buying", people should treat it as buying.

Explicitly presenting it as "renting" decreases the attractiveness, that's why DRM inclined distributors mislead their users with avoiding the usage of the "rent" term. But it only strengthens my point - since they rely on implicit perception of buying to attract people, people should treat this interaction as buying and these distributors should not complain when their DRM is scraped.


A lease and a purchase are legally distinct concepts. Generally, a lease is a time-limited acquisition of rights. A purchase is an unlimited (with respect to time) acquisition of rights.

A license can be purchased, even if it does not carry all of the rights associated with the underlying product. A license can also be leased, in which case the license is of a limited duration.

A purchase of a DRM-protected good is a purchase of a license to use an IP on the condition that the usage is subject to a rights management policy. This is not a rental, because the license is not time-limited in the acquisition agreement itself. (Thus, even if the DRM servers were disabled the next day, it would not have been a lease--the terms of the acquisition agreement itself are what matter.)


Renting does not have to involve a lease, as in being time-limited. Renting can be open-ended.

The key differentiating characteristic of renting vs buying is that in renting ownership of the expected good has not changed or has not fully transferred.

When you buy a good, legal ownership (whatever that means in any given jurisdiction) of that specific good has been transferred in full.

Entities using DRM are exploiting not the ownership transfer but the expectations for that good. The corporate, as it almost always is, transfers ownership of a substitute good which requires a license/renting to access the expected good.

The end users therefore have not bought the expected good, but a substitute good plus an access license "option". With DRM, this "option" can be (technically or legally) revoked or is callable at any time thereby disabling access or removing the expected good.

So, the obvious solution is not to buy a substitute good + callable option when you actually want the underlying (expected) good. Otherwise, you are just creating demand for substitute goods and all the fancy methods to create the callable options.


Ownership does not have to be "transferred in full" for something to be a purchase. They key difference with rentals is the lack of time limit or reserved right to revoke the license. The fact that the purchased rights may be fragile does not make it a rental.

I can sell you an easement on my land. It's a purchase, not a rental. But it can be a very limited right nonetheless (e.g. Just the right to cut across the grass to the road). I can sell you a car on the condition you don't repaint it. I can sell you a piece of land on condition that you only use it for a certain purpose. These are all purchases within the common use of the term, even though they effect a partial transfer of rights.


The discussion above is not about formal definition, but about common perception. Common perception of buying is getting full ownership. All other cases are far less common.

In general, the whole notion of attempting renting the content obscuring it as a sale is not a honest way of doing things. And using DRM to enforce those rental limitations makes it even worse, since it uses unethical preemptive policing methods to do it.


If this is not a time limited acquisition of rights, then what about all the "time windows" and potential revocations? If they exist - it means it's not unlimited in time and therefore it's similar to the lease (of the content), rather than to a purchase.

That was my point above - when people buy, they don't care to buy any "licenses". They buy content. Those who sell it, fool them with selling a license, while making them think they actually buy what they want to buy (i.e. the content). I.e. in essence they lease them the content, while making people think they buy the content.


Better yet: stop paying for, and therefore encouraging, the production of DRMed content.

Whether that means abstaining is a personal choice.


Abstaining is the correct choice though. Piracy only breeds stronger and more invasive DRM and I'm personally of the mindset that no one should work for free or produce goods without compensation unless they choose to.


While I agree with you - I really do - it's also an incredibly difficult choice. You'd have to give up owning nearly all movies and TV shows legally, the lion's share of ebooks, and nearly all commercial audiobooks. You basically have to live a life where the only media you can consume is in formats created before the 90s, or those rare one-offs where new content is issued in DRM-free formats.

I don't really have an answer for this. I feel guilty every time I buy a Blu-Ray, but I haven't stopped buying them either.

edit: and, oh, yeah, video games. Not all of them, but most of them.


That is exactly how I live.. it's really not difficult.. you should try it.

And you can add to the list: rentals... Rent movies; hulu is free; pandora; etc.

At the end of the day it is entertainment. You really don't NEED any of it. And the free stuff is good enough.

I can assure you, you will not die if you don't get to play the latest version of Sim City (or any version of it for that matter).


If the free stuff is DRM laden - like Hulu - you're missing the point of this thread.


No, I'm not missing the point. This thread is about a DRM laden comic that is no longer available to those who _paid_ for it because the company went out of business.

I paid nothing for Hulu. They are more than welcome to delete anything and everything.

Or do you somehow imagine that those who give you something for FREE are required to do so indefinitely in the future?


Well, personally they give me nothing, since I'm not part of the 6.39% of the world population they serve.

But in any case, it's not just about deleting or not. Being only able to watch on other than "blessed" devices is important too, unless we want to further cement software monoculture.


This is silly. This article is about a comic that people paid money, and because it contained DRM and the company went out of business, those customers are no longer able to view it.

You say: the problem is the DRM. Get rid of the DRM and we won't have the problem.

And that is a perfectly valid point.

But there is another solution you are completely missing: Why are you paying for DRM'd media?

No one is forcing you to purchase it. Someone created something, and they decided they wanted DRM in it. You (or more accurately, those customers) looked at it, saw the DRM, and said: here's my credit card number.

If you don't like the terms they are providing the service on, DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY!

So then you bring up Hulu. Hulu uses DRM. What are the solution here. 1) Go argue with Hulu about their DRM; or 2) Stop using it.

If you don't like the terms of a free service, stop using it. It really is that simple.

I don't give Hulu money. It's free. I think in exchange for free videos, they can put DRM in it. I didn't buy the videos, I know they aren't mine. I don't expect access to them in the future. If they go overboard with the DRM, then I'll stop visiting their site.


Games situation is improving, along the lines of music. More and more DRM free games appear, since more publishers learn some common sense and realize that DRM serves no useful purpose whatsoever.


"Piracy only breeds stronger and more invasive DRM"

I don't think the history of music publishing supports that claim.

On the other hand it may be unique, e.g. the normal smallest granularity is a 3-5 or so minute song, AND the 33 RPM vinyl LP allowed publishers to move away from that (the 78 and 45 RPM formats weren't very long at all). Some of what we're seeing is a rejection of what turned out to be a fairly short lived business model.


If nobody should "produce goods without compensation", doesn't that make abstention immoral? They're producing goods and not getting compensated.


It wouldn't help in this situation, since you can't even download the stuff you bought[1]. Your "purchase" only got you on-line viewing.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5377617


What about a caching proxy? You can't view it on your screen unless the browser downloads it anyway.


It could be something like a streaming Flash video, which the browser never has a complete copy of.


Streamloaded flash video is stupid simple to grab.

On windows, navigate to:

Users\USER\AppData\Local\temp\acro_rd_dir

And create a >hard< symbolic link for the .tmp file you will find there, renaming it to .flv . I am sure, on a mac, the location name is similar.

Close the browser window, the tmp file will be deleted and the flv will no longer be locked for access, and is now yours.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16226/complete-guide-to-symbo...


In that case, Wireshark and protocol analysis comes to the rescue. The trick is to find the images in the mess that is the downstream packets, but I've had success in the past with recording VoIP calls this way (the client didn't support recording).


Someone should make and distribute one before May 30th.




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