Furthermore, I'm not really sure why this belongs on HN, because it's not very technical, and frankly, not very intellectually stimulating. People on here don't appreciate humor, so those who upvoted this should have known better. I've flagged the article.
Also, I've never even heard of Brad Conte.
Frankly there's no point in even continuing this conversation until you do and we should just assume that I'm right and you're wrong.
How much you pay to read a blog post on why that isn't important?
* You omitted that HN is also a place to talk meta.
* You misunderstand that a parody is not supposed to capture the full scope of something.
* It was funny to read, that's all that matters.
I'm only replying to you comment because it's the top voted one.
EDIT: saraid216's response was funny, without being cringe inducing
>People on here don't appreciate humor
How could you possibly come to such a conclusion? I appreciate humor, and I am sure others do as well.
I'm honestly really curious about this. Could you elaborate?
But now its time to be very HN about it.
> Rats, top comments will be impossible to beat.
Actually I think I have a solution to this, though its just guesswork.
I'm not particularly well known here (or anywhere), but either people actually like the words I say, or I simply have yet to make a complete ass out of myself. (I think one of these is more plausible, but who is to say.)
My average karma on HN is 20.59, which seems to be a lot. Specifically, on the Leaderboard that puts me in fourth place among the HN big names for average karma (though I have nowhere near the total karma to appear there).
I've noticed that when I reply to a post, even if there's already 30 comments, my post usually ends up at the top. And it stays there, even if no one replies, and even if I don't get many or any upvotes for it, for a few hours sometimes.
Alas I don't know for certain, but my guess is that if you have a high average karma then your posts are automatically weighted higher, so you can inject your opinion into almost any topic at any time. This affords me the luxury of being a contradictory whine even if I come late to the party!
Can anyone confirm or deny my suspicion here?
One thing I dislike about the 'average karma' is that it discourages engaging in an extended discussion. For example, if you reply to this post, you may get a number of upvotes, but probably not as many as your original post. This creates an incentive just to ignore replies (when possible) so as not to bring down your average comment score.
This algorithmic craze is too clever for its own good. It is particularly evident in the false-positive bans.
(And I swear, it's scary how HN joke comments are indistinguishable from the real ones.)
But you're correct in that the current algorithm (or any sufficiently transparent algorithm) does lend itself to gaming. It might be harder to game if you didn't mind penalizing comments based on the quality of replies they generate, then sorting based on the thread's average quality would mean that there's less incentive to post in the top thread just to get exposure, since your new, karma-less post will drag down its average and subsequently could drag down the thread. That could get prohibitively expensive to calculate for huge threads, but would be less prone to gaming, I think.
 If we can hand-wave "karma" to mean "quality"; I get way more upvotes when I am flippant but technically correct than I do when I try to be thoughtful.
Locally perturbing and simulated annealing sound interesting. Maybe we could convince pg to reticulate the splines as well.
Edit: Why am I being downvoted????
It's not like I'm a menace to the community.
I assume the goal is to encourage high-quality discussions (including extended discussions/back-and-forth), in which case average comment score will work against that.
I never would have guessed.
I wonder if this thread could be turned into a parody of the parody?
~ The matrix revolutions
As a tool or "quality score" that aims to control and keep a forum from derailing this kind of a scoring system has probably done OK. Not sure if it is solely responsible for these effects on sites like HN and SO, but there's not denying that the signal to noise ratio is far better than for example USENET S/N or some forums out there (vBulletin or phpBB type).
Having operated a forum before I can tell you that it can be an absolute nightmare (I was using vBulletin) on many fronts. HN seems to be able to maintain decent quality.
There is further parody content in the URLs of the 'reply' links
Darn you ;)
/s ... or is it?
(is mostly shredded cabbage)
I mainly do my programming by SSHing to it and using Vim on my ipad.
I've both actually done this, and told people about it on HN. I'm ashamed.
Also, who uses h and l anymore? It's 2013, you should be using w and b.
actually, this text in the reply box highlights a huge problem with threaded (and voted) discussions in general: there is little incentive to reply to any already-huge thread, even with valuable content.
i've been thinking of how to solve this issue for the past week and have some ideas, working on a prototype.
My take on the subject is:
This effect can be mostly attributed to the fact that a top comment means more exposure, and given that the upvotes outweight the downvotes on the response (which is true, since that's why it is at the top), by deductive reasoning we arrive to the obvious conclusion that more exposure will further cement the position of a given post.
Also we must not forget about the effect of peer pressure
For those with a lack of humour, I include a smiley here: :-)
replies need "simmer" time at the top to aggregate enough votes. if there is one huge reply thread that dominates, few will scroll through pages looking for new content.
just the ability to fold comments on HN would help a lot already.
Also, while this may be a problem here, HN still has the best comment sorting system I've seen (but not measured). Comments have time to stay at the top and simmer down and if they are good they gain enough momentum. The only time this seems to be come a problem is when you get to a really popular thread after hours/days of discussion. Then you cannot get a word in edgewise.
An alternative solution could be that for every comment you make, you give up a bit of karma and you gain it back through comment upvotes (but not article postings). That way people will watch what they say. This may give some positive feedback to posters that harvest huge amounts of karma, but it will also prevent bad comments. On top of that, you could make your post stick up top longer by paying a blood price: for every 50 points of karma you get another minute guaranteed at the top of your discussion thread, or some such. Or just free market FTW: the person that bids the highest amount wins the top spot for that many minutes.
I think they changed the underlying code, but http://forum.iwethey.org/forum/main.iwt still looks the same. So you can experiment with the idea there.
Also, you forgot at least one archetype: the enthusiastic rant from an oblivious hell-banned poster.
There should also be a subthread complaining to the moderators about the title change.
Probably much more civil than a parody of a slashdot/reddit/4chan post would be.
The good content can stand on its own. No need to look down on other sites to look good by comparision.
EDIT: btw, hate my username and emailed PG to get it changed; he said it's not currently possible in the code. Wouldn't want him poking around the DB for me! Made my username back when HN first started as an anonymous account, but kept using it thereafter... CamelCase usernames suck!
There's surprising amount of hidden jokes in there too - feel free to read the OP's blog post  for many of the details (assuming you like spoilers)!
Just in case it wasn't noticed by many, note that all the links on the page are mini-jokes as well. Replies, navigation, everything.
I've seen many parodies posted to HN that have been flagged to hell because some don't notice that it's a parody. (excellent example: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5126318) I also have my own parodies that I've stopped posting because they've met the same fate.
Себя как в зеркале я вижу,
Но это зеркало мне льстит.
I see myself as in a mirror
But this mirror flatters me.
You obviously misinterpreted the author's intentions and you missed:
* The fact that it wasn't made to make you laugh
* Why do we laugh, what makes things funny?
* What is laughter, really?
(tongue in cheek, of course)
Edit: Maybe it takes more than 500, or some time. I don't have down arrows yet.
Note that you can't vote on comments over 24 hours old or replies to yourself, so don't use those to check your ability.
That said it reminds me of the 'every oscar winning movie' video on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhrz1-4hN4
If you view the source, it's obvious how it's cobbled together.
Interestingly, writing the first 90% of the comment content only took about 10% of the total time. Refining it and adding the rest took the other 90%.
I'm based in Malmo. The scene here isn't as big as in the Valley, but I look at that as an advantage, because it's easier to get traction locally and then expand.
Comments on Hacker News more often than not go into the meta almost immediately, and constantly, so there's usually one comment with well over half of the op's responses nested under it. I use a userscript for HN for this exact reason.
It's upsetting, to be honest.