A traceroute to thepiratebay.se is kind of amusing.
From my home (Sweden), the packets seem to go to Frankfurt, then New York, take a link via an ip which reverses to intelsatone.net to a cambodgian ip (500ms latency right here), then reach the ip 22.214.171.124, assigned to Star Joint Venture Co Ltd. Who seem to be a legitimate North Korea internet provider (or, well, as legitimate as it gets, coming from North Korea). The rest of the traceroute doesn't ping back (edit: 6 hops, which could stay in NK, or lead you back anywhere in the world).
If it's a joke, it's a very elaborate one.
http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/fakeroute/ can be seen as previous work that it is practical to do something like this.
Furthermore, a round trip time less than about 60 ms between Europe and North Korea is impossible, assuming the data is traveling at the speed of light. And we measured much less than that.
Altering routing companies sending traffic through in bulk from Germany-NY-Satellite is far more difficult, but we may see them do this anyway. Time will tell.
... 2914 39138 22351 131279 51040
... [NTT America/ARIN] [rrbone/RIPE] [Intelsat/ARIN] [STAR JOINT VENTURE/APNIC] [The Pirate Bay/RIPE]
Apart from that /24, STAR JOINT VENTURE only advertises 126.96.36.199/22 (albeit as four /24, idiotically enough). What's kind of interesting is that this /22 is visible with a much shorter AS path:
... 3257 4837 131279
... [Tinet/RIPE] [China Netcom/APNIC] [STAR JOINT VENTURE/APNIC]
The question is: Is is deliberate that the Chinese don't allow transit of the Pirate Bay /24 through their network? (As opposed to Intelsat, a Washington-based American company.)
cr1.ipls# sh ip bgp regexp 51040$
BGP table version is 210945139, local router ID is 8.30.x.255
Status codes: s suppressed, d damped, h history, * valid, > best, i - internal,
r RIB-failure, S Stale
Origin codes: i - IGP, e - EGP, ? - incomplete
Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path
*> 188.8.131.52 184.108.40.206 0 0 3356 5580 3.987 51040 i
*> 220.127.116.11 18.104.22.168 0 0 3356 2914 39138 22351 2.207 51040 i
EDIT: I'm gonna dig into my database and see what the path looked like a day or two ago.
EDIT: 2 days ago: the .107/24 path: 3356 3549 16150 51040
16150 is "Availo Networks AB" and they do appear to do heavy prefix filtering -- as they should -- but I see no import policy for 51040:
$ whois -h whois.ripe.net AS16150
BGP is the border gateway protocol- you can think of large infrastructure providers as being huge networks that are connected through 'border nodes'. BGP is the protocol it uses to negotiate routes into each other's networks, each provider advertises to the other provider what routes it has available. A common way to make a country go dark is by simply removing the BGP routes advertised for that country.
How it works is simple: ICMP ping, which is what most traceroute implementations work on, just works based on computers sending packets with their address information in response to a ping request.
If a computer that's really at IP address 10.0.5.23, for example, sends ping responses saying they're from IP address 10.2.0.93, a traceroute program will keep pinging that computer until it either gets a reply that says it's from the correct IP address or it decides the trace is futile.
A computer can lie as many times as it wants and create an arbitrarily long path that has no basis whatsoever in reality. Anyone who wants to do a good job of the lie would simply look at the Internet's routing information, which is (by definition) publicly available, and figure out which sequence of IP addresses they'd have to fake replies from. That's what's been done here, and almost a full month before April Fool's Day, no less.
Doing a better job would involve programming the computer to handle all network traffic with varying speeds, to fake the increased travel time the laws of physics would impose on the progressively longer paths it's faking. The Pirate Bay people apparently didn't bother with this part.
BGP = Border Gateway Protocol, a specific Exterior Gateway Protocol that allows ASes to figure out what other ASes are close by and to which of their neighbors they should route traffic destined for a specific IP address. This basically works by each AS advertising which groups of IP addresses (represented by prefixes) they know how to reach. A prefix is something like 10.0.0.0/24, which represents all addresses from 10.0.0.0 to 10.0.0.255; in a prefix, the number after the slash is how many bits of the IP address are fixed. In a /24, 24 bits, or three eight-bit bytes, are fixed, so the last eight bits can vary freely. Larger numbers indicate smaller blocks of addresses, unintuitively enough. For example, AS15169 advertises that it contains 22.214.171.124/16, or the range 126.96.36.199 - 188.8.131.52. Route advertisements contain cost information, which is primarily due to how long the path is; as an example, if I'm AS1 and I contain the range 10.0.0.0/24, I'll advertise that with a very low cost. If I hear from my neighbor AS3 that she contains 184.108.40.206/16, I'll advertise that with a higher cost, since I'll have to hand it off to a different AS.
(Edited to add: Apparently, IPv6 prefixes work essentially the same as IPv4 prefixes. http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/swIPv6Prefixes.html )
(BTW: that really broke google for a long time. google will revert your language to the automatically discovered one, even after you use their magic url that should prevent this)
The IP addresses allocated to the ISP I work for are "officially located" (according to my ARIN POC records) in the city I live in (specifically, at my PO Box). We ($ISP) don't even provide service in that city.
Even worse is many of the citizens of this 'republic' have been brainwashed by a compulsory education system that they actually live in a democratic republic.
In NK you'd be lucky to get 1 meal a day. Over here poor people are morbidly fat.
And at the end of the day, you're not a prisoner, if you hate it here so much, you can leave this country any day you want to. But can't say the same for people in NK.
Generally when someone murders one person we regard them as a horrid individual we don't say their not that bad because they only killed 1 instead of 10 like that Ted Bundy guy.
I didn't say I was living in a police state, the country I live in hasn't executed anyone in 40 years, and we certainly didn't think it was a big deal to destroy our nuclear weapons arsenal, stop stockpiling nuclear weapons, or ban landmines. I simply said we should stop hosting websites in countries with numerous years of history of horrid human rights abuse. Imagine living in a country where as recently at 1960 that certain classes of people were forbidden from eating lunch with other classes of people.
I find your definition of police state interesting, would you say that NK would stop being a police state with different emigration policies?
Sure. Germany and Russia to name just two. Several European countries in degree if not in sheer magnitude.
Edit: Oh I get it, if you you don't say what country you can pretend they are perfect. Brilliant.
From all countries with nuclear weapon 40 years without death penalty match only UK.
The parent comment wasn't comparing NK to the USA.
It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly.
Doesn't Europe have at least one violent ethnic conflict going on at any given time? Usually several?
n.b. I'm sure Rummel would grudgingly admit that the US is far worse than any other developed country for committing acts of "democide" this century. In fact it's probably the only metric in which a sane person could argue the US might have performed worse than North Korea in recent years.
Most of those people weren't "killed in World War II". They were murdered. By their own governments.
I fully expect the current Eurozone crisis to devolve into bloodshed before it's over, by the way.
You seem only interested in comparing the US to undeveloped and developing countries, which is not a useful comparison.
Why not compare the US to developed countries?
Bottom of the list for everything that matters.
Except for "first choice to which to immigrate", oddly.
It's called "voting with your feet".
If the U.S. had the same immigration policies as, say, Canada or Australia, you could add an order of magnitude to those numbers. Easily.
Ok, maybe not, but you can compare the two. The US is not getting better.
If they are pushed to such extremes as to go to North Korea, then it's ultimately your fault, the citizen of a Western country, for allowing your government to take such drastic anti-copyright measures that ultimately lead to corruption and censorship.
Kind of ironic that Internet freedom will be increasingly achieved in our countries by befriending our enemies.
Yeah, no. I didn't vote for these assholes. If you think even part of the nonsense professed by the MafiAA organizations has popular support, you're terribly deluded. I don't take kindly to being told I'm at fault for something I oppose and took every positive and reasonable step available to me to oppose.
As pointed out yesterday on the Bradley Manning discussion, the US is starting to get to the point where it can't credibly criticize other countries for their human rights abuses, given what goes on in this country.
I don't want this to turn into a discussion of whether the US is worse than North Korea, but both have abused - and continue to abuse - human rights in abysmal ways.
Sorry, no. Making the comparison assumes there's some parity, which is completely misleading.
In a different context, it's about as outlandish as claiming the space shuttle is really no different from the wright flyer. After all, both are capable of flight.
Good, because the grand-parent wasn't trying to.
This in itself is a disturbing statement. So what are you saying, it's ok as long as the US is not as bad a NK? Very disturbing. In a modern society, in what the US should be leading as a shining example to rest of the world there should be -no violations of human rights-
The US treats a lot of people very reprehensibly, but comparing living conditions in the US to living conditions in NK is like comparing a Mercedes to a pogo-stick.
My comment is not about comparing anything to anything, it's about the throw away comments that "x isn't as bad as y so we're not doing too bad" when instead of pointing fingers we should be looking inward towards our own flaws. People in glasses houses and all that.
(Yes yes, it's still not as bad a NK but you should still try to fix these issues)
You said "So what are you saying, it's ok as long as the US is not as bad a NK?"
That statement is completely orthogonal to what I was trying to say. Nowhere did I ever imply that something is okay just because it's not as bad as something else. That whole concept is completely nonsensical. If Australia became as bad as NK and then NK grew to be even worse than it was before, Australia wouldn't suddenly be doing something "okay" just because NK has set a new bar for despicable. Hopefully nobody in this thread is so stupid that they couldn't deduce that on their own.
What I was saying is that you're a complete asshole if you think the US is "like NK". That sort of comparison is completely inane and extremely insensitive to actual North Koreans actually being executed because their father was caught devising a plan to escape the country or whatever. None of them can leave. The US is NOTHING like North Korea and I wish ill will upon everyone who makes the comparison. I hope you all sit on a thumbtack or something.
The day no citizens can leave the US is the day I will acknowledge a similarity between the US and NK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_United_States says, "According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,266,800 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2010."
It seems like the United States is about an order of magnitude worse, even if you subtract the tiny fraction of US prisoners who are locked up to keep other people safe. And that's not even getting into how the countries' respective foreign policies violate human rights outside their borders, but I suggest reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War to start to get a handle on that.
It's not that the Korean rulers are more moral than the US rulers. It's just that they're less effective.
The population of the US is around 315 million. The population of North Korea is around 24 million. 
If we divide the number of prisoners by the countries' populations, US incarcenates .69% if their people. Assuming NK incarcenates 175,000, that is .71% of their people. These numbers seem similar enough, so perhaps we should instead look at prison conditions. By all reports, North Korea has significantly worse conditions. It's incorrect to claim that North Korea rulers are "less effective".
North Korean rulers are less effective in that North Korea remains a small, poor, weak country; consequently North Korean rulers are only able to incarcerate 0.7% of a much smaller population. They would be much bigger human rights violators if they were able to establish control over a larger territory that included more people, as the US government has over the past century and a half.
Furthermore, in NK prison camps execution--including child execution--is commonplace. Maybe that will give you a clue as to why their prison population isn't higher.
Grow a brain.
The wars that the US have been waging are fucked up, I agree, but we're talking about the way a country treats its own people.
I don't think the US is perfect, and I readily admit that it has a shameful level of police brutality, but NK is a completely different ballgame.
I'm disappointed at the level of your response.
200000/24,451,285 = 0.0081
2,266,800/313,914,040 = 0.0072
I'd say those are roughly the same - it certainly doesn't support a claim that the US is an order of magnitude worse.
USA: 0.71% of the population
NK: 0.63-0.83% of the population
Nobody has the right to leave NK
That alone says loads.
The most essential freedom is the freedom to disagree and leave. North Koreans don't have that right.
Like all generalisations (even this one) that is completely incorrect. I believe there are a lot of people in US custody who are denied that right?
I'm not saying they shouldn't be where they are, or that they should have the right to leave, but your blanket statement is wrong.
Also see Dmitry Sklyarov for an example of when stepping on the wrong corporate toes can get you into all sorts of trouble in the USA.
Like in every other country? This is pretty much a given, so I generalized within obvious constraints.
"Also see Dmitry Sklyarov"
Yes, that's very bad
I know, and I know that it's (societally speaking) a necessary tool. But many see the rate of incarceration in the US as a massive problem itself.
Note that I in no way compare the DPRK with the USA, I just think that talking in absolutes or framing them as opposites doesn't really help. We got a lot of problems in the west too...
Just see what they tried to do with Assange and Kim Dotcom.
They could've done that countless times with less public people.
This didn't stop US from bullying NZ and UK. NZ police even acted unlawfully because of this bullying.
that's not true, both in terms of citizenship and geographical position
I don't know if they still do because I haven't kept track, but they did for sure host pedophile message boards in 2005-2006 where pedophiles discussed things like raising children for sex.
Why? I can only guess that it's because they believe in freedom of speech over everything else.
And I find the accusation of supporting child abuse rather unfair, unless one plans to accuse Tor and Freenet node operators (like me) of the same; after all, we all know actual child porn, not just talk, probably goes through our machine. The obfuscation just offloads our moral dillemas, it doesn't change the facts.
Anyone can have freedom of speech, but it's up to the people if they want to listen.
If a pedophile started preaching their beliefs in town square to a group of people, it wouldn't be long before they would be run out of town or beat up.
The same goes for any services offered to people who's ideology you don't agree with.
Why would you hold them up to a higher standard?
In the end all this means to me is that I'm going to save the $65 that I was about to spend on a PB hoodie. Assuming TPB are paying for their NK servers, I'd rather not risking providing funds for lil' Kim's holocaust.
To point to a specific example, yesterday I watched George Stephanopoulos interview Dennis Rodman after Rodman's NK trip and George made some comment about the human rights record and to back it up he mentioned that NK has 200,000 folks in prison camps. Based on that logic, the U.S. is 10x worse with 2.2 million people in prison right now.
NK has a bad system of government. Their human rights record leaves much to be desired. But so does the human rights record of every country on earth, including the US.
| Rodman's NK trip
| Based on that logic, the U.S. is 10x worse with
| 2.2 million people in prison right now.
2. Your logic about the numbers doesn't take into account the portion of the population. The US is a lot larger than North Korea. If we translate those numbers into percentages, North Korea has 0.81% of the population in prison, and the U.S. has 0.69% of the population in prison.
3. As bad as the US prison system is, I don't think that it's reach GULAG / Auschwitz levels, which by all accounts NK has.
| Their human rights record leaves much to be
| desired. But so does the human rights record
| of every country on earth, including the US.
[ Note: Nobody wanted to believe that the Holocaust was real in Germany until the troops started liberating the camps. IIRC, there were rumors, but most people basically said what you are saying, though there was probably more out of disbelief that human beings could do such a thing. ]
Brief note: Rodman's trip was very different than most NK trips. He spent a lot of direct time with Un.
#1) Good point. I don't know anything about who gets sent to the prison camps in NK.
#2) 1/31 of the U.S. adult population is in prison, which is higher than 0.69%. If you were a black male, that number shoots up to 9%. If you were playing the ovarian lottery and wanted to optimize for not being in prison and could choose between NK and being a black male in the U.S., you should choose the former.
#3) Good point. I don't know anything about the prison camps in NK.
In general my point is, don't make decisions based on facts provided by homogenous sources. Gather your own sources, see things first hand, and make judgements and decisions based on your own findings. If you make decisions based on data provided by a single source (in this case the U.S media), you aren't making decisions at all--they've already been made for you.
The US also has 13 times the population. And conditions in US prisons are not comparable to conditions in North Korean prisons.
North Korea is a totalitarian hell hole where there has been an ongoing holocaust of citizens for 6 decades.
- Millions of people who have families and I'm sure are pretty happy even if their government sucks. And this is all that really matters at the end of the day.
- Those wide streets look pretty darn cool
- People look healthy (compared to obesity in the U.S.)
- Those massive games they hold each year are pretty impressive
- I'm impressed they figured out how to engineer an n bomb (not happy about it, but impressed)
- I'm impressed they figured out how to get a device in orbit
- Hosting the pirate bay
- Seems like they have a decent subway system, which most countries don't have
- I thought it was really neat that when the power goes out in the subways, everyone is prepared with a flashlight. Smart populace!
Let me also be clear, I think the government of NK sucks! Like, they get the basics wrong. Very wrong. Democracy, capitalism, those things have proven themselves as far superior than their system, imo.
But I don't think there's some dramatic struggle between good and evil going on here. I think in reality it's a lot more practical.
| I thought it was really neat that when the
| power goes out in the subways, everyone is
| prepared with a flashlight. Smart populace!
Per capita calculations or it is meaningless.
on a more serious note, your country is pushing them to leave their own country. Where to go? To your enemies of course.
Pirate bay has been offered, they haven't accepted it for now.
It should make you uneasy that they have to go to North Korea to keep the site online. While they are not martyrs for an easy to grasp cause, and their definition of 'free speech' may fly in the face of yours, they are doing their absolute best to keep alive what they think is important. This has recently resulted in much irony. Irony that I'm sure they're proud of.
You should hate this. That's the point. This wasn't done so people could keep downloading movies illegally, this was done to make a statement, to get you to think. So please, ice your knee, and think.
That server is in Germany, no way it's possible to have 50ms to NK. Also traditional traceroute has 500ms+ RTT.
They are faking/spoofing the ICMP responses.
They are also prepending their route advertisement with corresponding AS paths to further disguise it.
From TeliaSonera looking glass http://lg.telia.net/
220.127.116.11/24 *[BGP/170] 02:10:36, MED 0, localpref 150, from 18.104.22.168
AS path: 2914 39138 22351 131279 51040 I
AS39138 is probably the real upstream provider of TBP. They peer with AS51040(TPB network) and TPB router prepends AS22351(Intelsat) and AS131279(North Korean ISP) into it's AS Path before advertising it to AS39138.
I get about 40 ms from south germany and about 30 ms from france to thepiratebay.se ; but almost 400 ms to www.kcna.kp
In other words, the Western countries' belief in 'freedom of speech' is starting to seem as shallow as the word 'Democratic' in the 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea'.
It's really easy to brush off the fact that hundreds of people worked to make that movie you downloaded for free, especially when you never have to look any one of them in the eye.
These days with things like netflix, itunes, and amazon prime, the only excuse one can make for participating in piracy is destitution. I totally understand those who wouldn't have been able to acquire the goods anyway doing so by using the pirate bay and other services. In this sense, they're kind of a decentralized information welfare program.
Most countries have this already, and it's called a library. Too bad most libraries haven't caught up with the information age yet. So the piracy services have been filling a very important spot.
I'd strongly urge everyone not to use the pirate bay. North Korea is an oppressive country that would nuke the US in a heartbeat.
It makes me sick that so many people idolize these guys.
Before you rationalize your piracy in response to my post, please sound out the word: "rational" "lies"
Of course it is. It's the free exchange of information. If you don't support piracy you don't support absolute free speech.
For the record, I do not support absolute free unrestricted speech as it applies to exchange of (for instance) child pornography. I am happy to admit this.
I don't know. I do know I've been berated as anti freedom of speech when I've explained my ethical issues with (me personally) running darknet nodes, because I'm unwilling to let CP be transmitted over my resources.
Or, if they realized how much wealthier they would be if they didn't have to resort to SaaS business models in anticipation of frequent piracy.
How much of your Netflix subscription do you think actually makes it to those hundreds of people?
If you have any facts, I'd love to know.
No rationalization needed. No excuses.
If this is in fact true, and not a gag, it's an overt political statement, and one I couldn't disagree with more.
It's OK to support freedom of information, and also recognize TPB for what it really is.
It's the industry's job to ask me what distribution channel I want to use, not dictate what channel they require me to use. When they figure that out, they'll start making money again.
If you don't like it, you don't have to buy their content, but it doesn't give you the right to bootleg it.
If a content maker doesn't like it, they don't have to use a big publishing house that restricts their sales avenues, but they also know they're probably going to make less money that way.
Everything related to copyright law is brand new and modern. It is not a natural right. It was created by consensus. That consensus can and will change.
And I'm not sure they'll come out much worse for it. Imagine if Peter Jackson announced that his next movie would be a free download, and crowdfunded the money to make it. I bet he could raise a couple hundred million dollars without much trouble.
TPB allows downloads unapproved by content producers: YES
Banner ads are key to allowing this: NO
Banner ads mean they aren't nonprofit: YES*
Banner ads mean they are taking money from content producers: NO
What does the magnitude of TPB's profit have to do with anything? The morality of an action is determined by how much the offender profits monetarily?
The content creators invest effort, money, and years of their lives to produce the content. A typical movie, for instance, represents the collective work of hundreds of people spanning several years. Of course they'll need to charge more to generate a profit. And TPB only needs banner ads to generate the profit. What's your point?
> "...rapidshare, that you can make a good argument are taking money from content producers."
You seem to have bought into this farce that people who download pirated content are categorically unwilling to pay money for non-pirated content. This is complete bs.
My nephews and his friends don't spend money on music, since they can easily get it for free online and it lets them spend their money on other stuff. Are you claiming that if these kids grew up in the 70s or 80s, none of them would listen to music because they'd all be against spending their money on it? BS.
"Taking money from content producers" doesn't just mean I've taken ten dollars out of some musician's wallet and put that same ten dollars into my wallet. It could mean taking ten dollars out of a musician's wallet, putting a dollar into mine, and burning the rest. Or burning it all. From the perspective of the musician, the result is the same.
> "Banner ads are key to allowing this: NO"
My argument was that, based on their actions and words, profit or notoriety are more likely their motivations than a principled stand on freedom of speech, as many here want to attribute to TPB. The Westboro Baptist Church is also defended by the freedom of speech. That doesn't mean we should hold up the Westboro Baptist Church as noble crusaders in a fight for our freedoms. That gives them way too much credit.
On the other hand, if the consumers collectively decide to subvert this process and set the price at zero, where does that leave the author? Their message is "I'm going to take your work and pay you nothing for it. Get back to us when you can offer us a better deal than something for nothing."
Which option seems like a better system to you? Technology has made taking content and paying nothing for it a frictionless transaction. Many people here seem to believe that since technology has enabled it, or made it so easy, or made it so difficult to regulate, it therefore must be a natural right that we've had all along, but can only now fully enjoy due to the miracles of modern technology.
If some group on the supply side gains a monopoly, the government in theory steps in and regulates to protect the consumer from price gouging. This notion appeals to us, that when one party in the holds all the cards, they shouldn't use exploit that power to price gouge. Yet when the consumers suddenly hold all the cards, we turn a blind eye to imbalance in power.
I'm not saying that movie studios and record labels should be protected so that they can cling to old distribution methods. But expecting authors, or anyone on the supply side, to offer a price as good as free is not a reasonable expectation.
And since we are supposed to have democracy here, maybe it's a valid reason?
Children of the Secret State - North Korea
Inside - Undercover in North Korea
Comrades and Strangers: Behind the Closed Doors of North Korea
The Vice Guide to North Korea
National Geographic Explorer ~ Inside North Korea https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6110419/
It will be interesting to see how serious their new overlord is about that "freedom of speech thing". My guess is that sooner or later, some of those films will suddenly vanish from the site.
By doing that, it illustrates just how ridiculous the current copyright situation is.
Nicely played Piratebay, nicely played.
Of course it's serious.
edit: I thought it's a joke... but the traceroute trully ends in North Korea with the 22.214.171.124 IP.
So ... maybe it's actualy legit.
I don't know what to trust anymore.
The idea that it would even be feasible for TPB to host in North Korea is ridiculous. The fact that they already have a history of pranks about their hosting should be a big clue.
That's the wrong one, though.
Republic of Korea = South
Democratic People's Republic of Korea = North
That's not denial of the existence of other Korea, and not "we're the true Korea"; it's more that there is only one Korea, it's the entire peninsula, and this unfortunate state of affairs where there are currently two separate governments isn't an indication that there are two Koreas. There's one Korea. The whole thing.
I asked the guides specifically so I think I've got it more or less right.
In South Korea, they call South Korea "Hanguk" which means "Land of the Han" (Han people being the Korean ethnic group). They call North Korea "Bukhan" which is just "Northern Han."
In North Korea, they call themselves "Joseon" which means "morning calm" and was the name of the last Korean kingdom.(cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseon) Meanwhile they call South Korea "South Joseon."
So, they each call themselves and the other "Korea" in a sense, but they disagree on what the word for "Korea" is in Korean.
"Korea" is itself a romanization of "Koryo," which was the name of a much earlier Korean kingdom.
For more, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han
Similar situation for some years in the Taiwan Strait, where the not-a-republic People's Republic of China faced down the also-not-a-republic Republic of China (Taiwan).
Still, if it's a case of wishful thinking, why "democratic" and not "The Awesome, Glorious Empire of North Korea Death to America"?
So (for a not-quite-correct example) things would progress Congo -> Republic of Congo -> Democratic Republic of Congo -> People's Democratic Republic of Congo.
A "people's democracy" is a country in transition from bourgeois democracy to socialism. In this stage there is more than one class, the largest being the proletariat, led by the Communist Party, which is therefore the dominant power.
The other common country name includes "people's republic." In both cases, it's important to understand the definition of "people". People are communists. Look up "People's dictatorship" for more information on this. Essentially, a "People's republic" is a country that is ruled by a communist party.
Here is what they think:
"This is truly an ironic situation. We have been fighting for a free world, and our opponents are mostly huge corporations from the United States of America, a place where freedom and freedom of speech is said to be held high. At the same time, companies from that country is chasing a competitor from other countries, bribing police and lawmakers, threatening political parties and physically hunting people from our crew. And to our help comes a government famous in our part of the world for locking people up for their thoughts and forbidding access to information."
Is this false?
traceroute thepiratebay.se output:
12 INTELSAT-IN.car1.NewYork1.Level3.net (126.96.36.199) 127.129 ms 121.898 ms 121.857 ms
13 188.8.131.52 (184.108.40.206) 214.763 ms 196.291 ms 210.602 ms
14 220.127.116.11 (18.104.22.168) 697.258 ms 711.336 ms 693.061 ms
15 22.214.171.124 (126.96.36.199) 696.368 ms 699.046 ms 702.013 ms
$ traceroute thepiratebay.se
traceroute to thepiratebay.se (188.8.131.52), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
... snip ...
3 ae0-0.bos-bb-rtr2.verizon-gni.net (184.108.40.206) 4.940 ms 3.924 ms 4.962 ms
4 0.xe-8-0-0.br3.nyc4.alter.net (220.127.116.11) 13.551 ms 15.600 ms 14.553 ms
5 18.104.22.168 (22.214.171.124) 14.996 ms 13.661 ms 15.424 ms
6 ae-2.r23.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (126.96.36.199) 14.953 ms 16.048 ms 14.726 ms
7 ae-6.r21.frnkge03.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (188.8.131.52) 109.988 ms 106.394 ms 107.488 ms
8 ae-1.r02.frnkge03.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (184.108.40.206) 105.110 ms 108.378 ms 104.977 ms
9 xe-3-2.r00.dsdfge02.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (220.127.116.11) 129.906 ms 141.522 ms 141.731 ms
10 18.104.22.168 (22.214.171.124) 105.035 ms 104.582 ms 105.151 ms
11 * * *
12 * xe-0-1-0-3.r02.frnkge03.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (126.96.36.199) 143.231 ms *
13 xe-0.level3.frnkge03.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (188.8.131.52) 161.436 ms 125.598 ms 159.774 ms
14 * vlan90.csw4.frankfurt1.level3.net (184.108.40.206) 262.171 ms 270.225 ms
15 ae-82-82.ebr2.frankfurt1.level3.net (220.127.116.11) 197.361 ms 214.021 ms 272.423 ms
16 ae-61-61.csw1.newyork1.level3.net (18.104.22.168) 219.914 ms 244.709 ms 214.996 ms
17 ae-21-70.car1.newyork1.level3.net (22.214.171.124) 232.323 ms * 203.640 ms
18 intelsat-in.car1.newyork1.level3.net (126.96.36.199) 319.879 ms * 219.131 ms
19 rvs-rt0003_fe-0-0 .intelsatone.net (188.8.131.52) 289.920 ms 357.010 ms 332.387 ms
20 184.108.40.206 (220.127.116.11) 832.528 ms 844.070 ms *
21 18.104.22.168 (22.214.171.124) 797.110 ms 839.233 ms 859.813 ms
... snip ...
40 * *^C
$ whois 126.96.36.199
... snip ...
inetnum: 188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206
descr: Potong-gang District
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
remarks: This object can only be updated by APNIC hostmasters.
remarks: To update this object, please contact APNIC
remarks: hostmasters and include your organisation's account
remarks: name in the subject line.
changed: email@example.com 20091221
role: STAR JOINT VENTURE CO LTD - network administrat
address: Ryugyong-dong Potong-gang District
phone: +66 81 208 7602
fax-no: +66 2 240 3180
changed: firstname.lastname@example.org 20091214
I know DPRK has bigger problems, but the exposure isn't bad. TPB isn't in a position to free the people, so I can't concur with those who claim this is somehow ignorant of those issues. Times are changing there. Channels are opening up. These guys may serve a greater purpose, even if it's not today.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, 3 MARCH 102, 평양 (PYONGYANG).
The Pirate Bay has been hunted in many countries around the world. Not for illegal activities but being persecuted for beliefs of freedom of information. Today, a new chapter is written in the history of the movement, as well as the history of the internets.
A week ago we could reveal that The Pirate Bay was accessed via Norway and Catalonya. The move was to ensure that these countries and regions will get attention to the issues at hand. Today we can reveal that we have been invited by the leader of the republic of Korea, to fight our battles from their network.
This is truly an ironic situation. We have been fighting for a free world, and our opponents are mostly huge corporations from the United States of America, a place where freedom and freedom of speech is said to be held high. At the same time, companies from that country is chasing a competitor from other countries, bribing police and lawmakers, threatening political parties and physically hunting people from our crew. And to our help comes a government famous in our part of the world for locking people up for their thoughts and forbidding access to information.
We believe that being offered our virtual asylum in Korea is a first step of this country's changing view of access to information. It's a country opening up and one thing is sure, they do not care about threats like others do. In that way, TPB and Korea might have a special bond. We will do our best to influence the Korean leaders to also let their own population use our service, and to make sure that we can help improve the situation in any way we can. When someone is reaching out to make things better, it's also ones duty to grab their hand.
Posted 24 mins ago by Kim Jung-Bay
The Pirate Bay's "freedom of information" posturing is a complete farce. The site exists for the sole purpose of making money for its operators. Messages like this one, whether satire or not, expose the site for what it is. It makes money by ripping content from the distribution channels chosen by the content authors, repackaging it, and giving it away for free while raking in advertising dollars. In the process, they deny content authors the freedom to select channel of distribution that will allow them to be compensated for their work.
Technology has paved the way for improved means of distributing content, but this is not it.
The only upside of TPB is that it will disrupt the existing content delivery chain enough to force some innovation in a space dominated by a few very large and very stagnant players.
Pre-supposing one supports intellectual property.
I guess nobody updated their IPs, though:
How noble. Good thing that they found refuge in the country that basically is one big concentration camp. Can't make this stuff up.
So North Korea will now have access to the entire Western World's culture catalog? For Free?! I wonder how Kim Jong Un will exploit that.
And now anyone who downloads a torrent from TPB has potentially been compromised? Or is that alarmist?
The part that owns computers, sure.
Understand the difference between the torrent file and the actual data and all shall be revealed.
I suppose it gives access in the same way that North Korea visiting Pirate Bay gave them access before. There is a widespread belief that Pirate Bay is some giant repository of a bunch of pirate content, and it simply isn't true. Well, it's true that it's content that aids pirates in finding and downloading that content, but pirate bay itself is quite lightweight.
Trace 220.127.116.11 to see the effect if you haven't seen it already.
Seriously this is mind boggling! I can't believe it has come to that!
I guess that's the modern difference between "rogue" and "first world" as far as censorship goes. The former block because of threats to the political regime. The latter because of threats to corporate profits.