It's kind of embarrassing.
I do not engage in such behavior. Commenting on its existence tends to not go over well with anyone, male or female. I have often been the sole woman willing to stand up to such a man in a largely female group. It is a great way to make enemies all around.
I am sure there are complex social reasons for such patterns. This is probably not the time or place to discuss it. I am only trying to suggest that a good reason to have some "ladies only" groups is because of the way a lot of women behave around men, not because of the way men behave around women or because "men are all sexist pigs".
If this works for some women to help them have a healthier relationship to their career goals, I think it's a good thing.
There's nothing wrong with an underrepresented group trying to attract other members of the same demographic to create a sense of community. Just like there's nothing wrong with being underrepresented.
I find it sad that I often see a great group of people and a group which I would absolutely love being able to join, but that it is exclusively for women, is this really how we want to solve a perceived gender discrimination? By creating another one which leans the other way?
So often politics of gender, race, sexuality, etc. seems to over shadow what these groups should really be about, which is bringing people together to learn and have fun experiences. Men and women can have these fun experiences together, we don't need to invite purely men or women, imagine the backlash if "blokes who code" had a male only tech group.
It's very easy to play the "under-represented" card, but the fact of the matter is this: women in the U.S. ever so slightly out number men. There is absolutely nothing stopping women joining in with the tech industry, there is no law, no patriarchy standing in their way, the only thing stopping a woman from joining the tech industry is herself.
What about the fact that we, as a society, are biased against women in technology (all of us, even women)? For example, tech resumes with a female name will be rated lower than that same resume with a male name. Not only in competence but in other categories like "bragging too much" or "how much you would like to work with this person".
How is starting pyladies "playing an under-represented" card? That implies it requires an "excuse". Women ARE underrepresented in technology.
Yes, women can legally join the tech industry, but we as a society can do a lot to make that easier. If you ask young girls their gender before they take a math test, their scores drop. Should we tell them to just get over it and do better at math? Bias is society-wide and can't be solved that simply.
One way to help is to support groups like PyLadies. Keep up the great work Selena!!
Here's some reading that might help you get started with educating yourself:
Thanks for the link regardless.
Hence my whining. I hope I'm very wrong.
Basically, it comes down to helping someone who is part of a cultural minority maintain their identity (in this case, women's culture) while they are dipping a toe into the waters of the different culture. That's why groups like PyLadies are useful and important.
The research supporting creating these groups is why I believe they ultimately will work to increase the number of women involved in open source, and the tech world in general.
Now we just have to collect data about what we're doing that works and what doesn't, and try to spread the knowledge as fast and as far as we can.
I am not saying tech doesn't have gender discrimination. There are plenty of blog posts out there that say otherwise. I just don't take post as an indicator of such.
See you at PyCon!
It would be so cool to have campus groups. I'll bring that up to the other organizers. There are a handful of students who already come to the Portland group. We should figure out some ways of capturing the imagination of more students.
Please ditch the text-shadow. The text is completely illegible to me, and I can't highlight the text to read the inverted colour scheme due to the text shadow making it look all smugded. :)
Thanks for all your contributions to women in tech and the Python community.
I will bring this up with all PyLadies - but for my part, yes! We don't have a global charter, so I will seek clarification on this and express my opinion.
The wording that I have tried to use is "primarily woman-identified" or "not primarily male-identified". If you have better wording suggestions, please share!
Otherwise, keep up the good work!
My site's theme is predominantly blue. I hadn't really thought about my color choices until just now.