Can anyone translate what they are saying in the first one?
You can get a good idea of the new videos being posted using YouTube's "last hour" filter:
The guy doesn't even say anything for a long while, just starts speeding up.
edit: Phil Plait of Bad Astronomy (Slate) think it's unrelated to the 2012DA14 asteroid, because of the timing gap and incorrect direction of travel. http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/02/15/breaking... This could have turned out very badly if the thing had hit the ground...could we have caught this one, and why didn't we?
According to Dr Neil deGrasse Tyson (speaking on NBC's "Today Show") it was too small to detect.
* Pedestrians are corrupt -- they throw themselves in front of your car then sue for damages.
* Other motorists are corrupt -- they lie about the accident facts
* Cops are corrupt -- easily bought off and bribed (or tapped through nepotism)
Youtube is full of really scary Russian dashcam videos.
I wonder if it's true.
There are a number of monitoring systems spelled out in the various disarmament treaties, and the infrasound sensors were part of the test ban treaty, so I don't doubt that if there had been a nuclear component, someone would know about it :-)
Some combination of mass and speed detected by radar (or satellite?) triggering an S2A response.
- the size of Russia
- The range of surface to air missiles
- the chance of missing an object that does not give off
a heat signature until it is about to hit.
In Russia, clock changes you!
I'm not saying its impossible, but it just seems to me that there is a lot of misinformation as to what actually happened.
Just look at that dashcam footage: from entering the atmosphere to breakup was just a couple of seconds. On a very tangential orbit, no less.
Spent a very enlightening afternoon down an old bunker near pervomaisk.
Found some stats in the tourist brochure from there. 9.4m high,1.1m dia, 4km/s in 4s, which gives an acceleration if about 102g. 80-100km range. Max speed 7km/s. "directional blast" also, which is interesting.
I'm not sure a terrestrial power could do this without being way visible ahead of time.
> We don't have a surveillance system capable of detecting something that size until it hits atmosphere,
NASA tracks at least 21,000 items above 10 cm diameter.
Objects above 3 mm can be tracked by ground based radar.
To track potentially hazardous astroids (PHAs), scientists use different methods and are not capable of detecting rocks as small as this one. That doesn't mean that it came from outside the solar system or that it has an eccentric orbit. It just means that it was too small to detect with current methods.
How many items does NASA track which are 10 cm - 10m diameter and not orbiting the earth ?
Also, kaz is full of Russian military hardware. Baikonur for instance is definitely covered by ABMs, as to not do so would be an untenable risk as far as Russia is concerned.
For reference, here's what an ABM transporter looks like: http://www.ausairpower.net/PVO-S/53T6-SH-08-Gazelle-ABM-TL-1...
Or this: http://www.ausairpower.net/PVO-S/Gorgon-ABM-Transporter-Load...
Here's what a portable ICBM looks like: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Moscow_Pa...
Or this: http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/images/rs24tel.jpg
Seeing this kind of stuff is par for the course out there though. Drove from Rostov na donu to Stalingrad and there were huge (and I mean HUGE) convoys of tanks cruising down to syria's neck of the woods.
This isn't news to the world, it's just known stuff that isn't talked about as it doesn't mesh very well with realpolitik.
Edit: think there was also a satan in the convoy we saw, two massive stages on separate carriers. Proper "oh holy shit what am I seeing pretend I'm not here" stuff.
I am no physicist. But assuming that we can take these reports at face value, doesn't that rule out the possibility that the meteorite was intercepted by a nuclear device?
However, based on my very limited knowledge, I think that the Russians are supposed to only have operational Gazelles in a ring protecting Moscow, and those shouldn't have the range to hit anywhere near Chelyabinsk.
Also, this is the Russian military we're talking about. I don't think they'll fess up to detonating a nuke, no matter how small, in a populated area.
We're talking about the same guys who absolutely definitely positively did not use nukes to build shipping canals.
Oh, and I am a Physicist. MSc from an Ivy-League equivalent in the UK, although these days I'm a web gimp instead.
Ok, I'm genuinely not sure whether you're being sarcastic. So _did_ the Russians use nukes to build shipping canals?
It wouldn't surprise me if the Russians were looking at the same thing, but it should leave some fairly telling clues behind. At the very least you can see plowshare craters littering Nevada on google maps (in a nice grid pattern in some areas, just search for "Sedan crater" and zoom out a little), I would expect similar to be somewhere in Russia if they were doing the same.
Edit: This is the Russian version of plowshare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Explosions_for_the_Nati... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagan_(nuclear_test)
Unless it was used to blow up a large chunk of rock which then proceeded to fall to the ground. In that case, you'd get a crater, but you'd also get the radioactive material.
Edit: Fixed city name, added map.
edit: http://www.nature.com/news/russian-meteor-largest-in-a-centu... "Explosion rivalled nuclear blast, but rock was still too small for advance-warning networks to spot."
Examples of other meteorite strikes in the past:
Damaged zinc plant? https://twitter.com/Dokhrimovich/statuses/302269134685757442
AP News Story: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_METEORITE?S...
Video close to epicenter.. Loud boom then broken windows and alarms.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0cFOIoITW4
Hashtag #Челябинск on twitter for more info.
I wish we had more information.
Edit: on second thought, it could easily be a fragment, we'll see.
Yes, that's what it says
Edit: haha, thanks for the explanations; that changes my interpretation of their reactions.
"It appears to split, so I’m guessing the main mass split there. That’s not surprising; it’s happened with previous falls (like Sikhote-Alin). That means they could have disintegrated at different times, so there may be multiple places where pieces could fall."
It's very visible in planes about to break the sound barrier. Look for Youtube videos. The cones are spectacular, but also notice how a trail is sometimes visible originating from the tips of the wings.
So you don't need to inject the water, but to extract it from the air compressing it. Anyway, I'd bet the meteor trails consist of vaporized matter from the meteor itself.
Edit: see this one at 0:20:
A pure water meteorite hitting the atmosphere would be contrails all the way; just not in the way we're used to.
... followed by a more scientific discussion, about it being a meteorite breaking up etc
I just found this by using the "last hour" filter mmastrac suggested.
EDIT: It doesn't seem to be a crater caused by a meteorite. By looking at the youtube video "cfn" (comment below) looks like it's a gas explosion in 2007. Still, amazing.
Hard to get a sense of scale, but it looks pretty big. Maybe a few hundre feet in diameter?
Also, how much heat is needed to set friggin _dirt_ on fire?
You probably don't want to know. Lots of cussing :)
He actually has no idea what's going on. At one point he jokes about artillery strikes and then starts calming down his friends ("Don't be afraid, nothing's happened yet.")
Then he urges his friends to go grab their jackets (apparently they ran out to the street without them). While running, he exclaims "now, that's some serious shit!" and then urges his friends to be calm once more.
"The most interesting stuff is about to begin."
The guard at the entrance tells them they can't come in to take their jackets.
"That thing flew by, there was a flash and it crashed in the woods."
"What an adventure!"
"It entered the atmosphere and started burning. The remaining stuff then crashed."
"I thought a war's underway."
"Don't cower. But I didn't get what the explosions were about."
"The windows are all smashed."
"I love it!!!"
It must be some kind of college. The kids must be students.
It's easy to get mislead by movies and tv and the way things happen and the way people react. In reality things don't work that way. It can sometimes be difficult to tell when an emergency is happening, and a lot of people won't pay enough attention. How often do people ignore fire alarms, for example?
Do you know what the symptoms of a stroke look like? Most people don't. I certainly didn't when the elderly lady sitting one table over from me at a fast food restaurant had a stroke. She dropped her food tray on the floor and I was sitting the other way and just wrote it off as random clumsiness. But other people were paying closer attention. Some of the staff helped her clean up her mess and other people came to help sensing that something was a bit off, after asking a few leading questions and making a few observations they decided she was having a stroke and called 911. Today I have a lot more training and am far better able to spot things like symptoms of a stroke or a heart attack and so forth, but that's not true for everyone. A lot of people don't know how to spot a heart attack, even in themselves, and they waste a lot of time before going to the hospital.
But this extends to everything. If you look at the 9/11 WTC attacks there were a lot of people who could have gotten out of those buildings who instead stayed in their offices because they were lulled into a false sense of security. The fact is that when things are burning down, smoke is everywhere, you can see the flames, etc. it's often too late, the time to take action was minutes or hours ago when you still had a chance. The time to evacuate a flood zone is when the water is at your ankles or knees, not when it's up to your armpits.
But most people are so conditioned by the norms of ordinary society they find it difficult to break out of them. It takes a surprising amount of effort to make a conscious choice to break those norms and switch to emergency mode, which is why most people are forced to rely on some even more dramatic event triggering a panic/fear/fight-or-flight response to jump into that mode.
Technological, fiscal, and other crises are similar. Often your first real sign of trouble isn't a sense of impending doom as just a very strong sense that things are wrong -- your perception of the world isn't adding up. I've trained myself (or tried) to recognize such situations and respond more quickly to them, but it's still easy to miss things. Especially as it's not clear until later (and often much, much later) just what has gone wrong and what's the best way to address it. In military it's called "fog of war", but a similar condition pervades most complex situations.
For better or for worse, I assume that incident management folks are full of shit when they say things like that, so I boogey asap. I've been in office buildings where the fire alarms didn't sound properly and announcements came over the PA saying something like: "The roof is on fire, do not be alarmed and do not evacuate at this time."
If you want people to respond and evacuate faster to a real disaster, improve your incident reporting so it doesn't train folks into the habit of ignoring it.
Getting back to this specific topic, there's also the issue that, when driving, your own safety is still paramount.
Even if this was recognised as an emergency, there's very little a driver can do to react while he's inside a moving vehicle on a busy road.
Part of it is what's called "commitment." People payed good money for a show and they're going to see one. It takes a long time to accept that the show is over.
AN ANGEL HAS BEEN ENCOUNTERED IN THE VICINITY"