We were confident the baby would be a boy, but were wrong, and in the summer of 2011 our baby daughter was born.
Most people are happy with the explanation that it's Portuguese for Moon. But I have had a couple of knowing looks from colleagues. Luckily, the German authorities were fine with her double-barrelled "normal" name.
Were you really required to give her a middle name or did you do it 'to be safe'?
If you were asked to: Are you upset about that decision? Do you care? I'm not sure if this anecdote is arguing that a restriction in naming is bad or if it is a data point showing that you can name your child in a special way, rules be damned?
We're both English, so middle names are common there (not sure about the US) and the middle name we chose rally suits the whole name, sort of finishes it of nicely.
I guess the point of the anecdote is really that in Germany, this sort of thing must be considered, but more of a light hearted Friday story!
I don't get why that is an issue. I actually named my daughter after Ruby, a beautiful female name AND a beautiful programming language. Every time when asked if the Ruby being the one as in "Max and Ruby", I often need to emphasize that it's actually the one as in "Ruby on Rails", :) A bit much geeky? Probably. Being a programmer, I am proud of what I am doing.
I named my son after Ken Thompson, the guy who invented UNIX, the greatest programmer IMHO.
I agree that Ruby is a lovely name, but the only reason it wasn't included in the list is that my parents have a dog with the same name, so imagine the hilarity at Christmas and other family gatherings!
Congratulations on your son. I would have appreciated it far more if my parents named me after someone who really had a big influence on their life, not just, as in my case, my dad! I'm still convinced it was for sneaky tax purposes or something ;)
It is rather worryingly beginning to grow on me.
I guess I can always say he was named after the England Rugby player to hide my true geek creds, and portray a more rugged image of myself.
I have spent my whole life correctly people. I was never harassed in school by other students, although some of my teachers would seem to take it as an affront and tell me that I was spelling my name wrong. My mother told me during my teens that if I wanted to change my name that she would understand, but oddly enough I like my name the way it is. Of course I would think differently if it was Ima Hoare.
a) an infinite number of names are not recognizable as such
b) children are cruel. Giving your children a bat-shit crazy name will lead to bullying. It's ironically one of the 'think of the children' rules I really understand (most of the time, .. I don't)
c) some people are just idiots: 
Disclaimer: German, wasn't allowed to name my son 'UseBCrypt' or similar. Still had a seemingly countless number of names to pick from and was able to name him in a way that's meaningful and still very special for us.
a) I dont really see this as an issue, though I could be missing something. Could you explain how this is a problem?
b) I would have to completely disagree with this, no baby or child growing up is going to have the predisposed notion to make fun of another baby/child for there name being "crazy". The notion of "crazy" is a matter of what EVERYONE perceives as crazy, and as such that is a problem with society. Idk if this really goes against your point but to say that kids will straight up bully someone else just because of there name is assuming a lot.
c) Cant argue with you there haha.
Example: The Hunt family naming their boy Michael, or the Dover family naming their boy Benjamin.
Just because society acts in antisocial ways doesn't mean that we should wait for society to fix themselves. If we could simply rely on society to do the right thing we wouldn't need locks or crypto.
If this is indeed a reasoning for why some countries have naming lists then they have far big problems then bullying in schools. Children are a direct reflection on their parents and their parents jobs at parenting. If this is the case the problem will not be fixed with a naming list, if anything this just exasperated the problem by telling anyone with a name not on that list "yep your name is crazy".
If you want to stop bullying you need to look to the parents and the media, not some naming list is a direct application of what is "politically correct".
On the same note, are these same countries going to reject immigrants with children who's names are on these lists? That would never be acceptable right? So now an immigrant has less rights then the people actually born in that country? Interesting.
Of course you can be 'Mustard Smith' and just introduce yourself as John and lead a mostly normal life. But that name was never a name to begin with. Names are not random nouns. You write mustard, not Mustard. John's a name, "Lightning" is - in my humble opinion - not. On various levels.
b) We have to disagree then. Of course there are different levels of ~abuse~ here. Some names are just silly (incidently I'd say the German example of allowing "Legolas" is on that list), but abusing your power to name a child to make a pun is offensive in my world. Choosing offensive names should be criminal.
Back to children: They will exploit differences. The more weird, crazy or .. stupid your name is, the easier it is to laugh about you. Will they make fun of ~everyone~? Sure. But crappy names make very easy targets.
Parents give uniformly ordinary names to children, the divide between "ordinary" and "weird" name increases further.
And some cultures might end up with having to choose between little more than ten names.
Deciding you want to be called something once you're old enough to make that decision yourself is one thing, imposing something on someone else when you're not having to live with the consequences is something else entirely.
The "it's our child" argument I don't buy at all. No, the child is it's own person, you're just responsible for it and you have some responsibility to think through the consequences of your actions.
The stupidest names I've personally come across were the parents who named their twin boys "Zig" and "Zag." They thought it was "cute." I don't know what they think, now, but both boys go by their middle names.
The most widely known popular culture expression of an extreme case of child naming for people in my generation is the late Johnny Cash's song "Boy Named Sue,"
written by children's author Shel Silverstein. In jest is truth, and the song helps a lot of people here empathize with children who get stuck with odd-sounding names. Plenty of Americans who were born in other countries arrive here with names that don't fit the naming patterns of English-speaking countries, but Americans have mostly learned to deal with a great diversity of names among their friends and neighbors. (Because my wife is a first-generation immigrant from Taiwan, and we have had occasion to live in east Asia since our children were born, we thought carefully about both English and Chinese names for our own children.)
The original Freakonomics book has a very interesting section on names in the United States, including the case of the Johnson family (Johnson is the second most frequent surname in the United States) who had many children, and named one Winner. Then Winner Johnson went on to become a problem child and eventually a career criminal. Meanwhile the family had another child, whom they named Loser ("my friends call me 'Lou'") who eventually grew up to be a law-abiding, responsible citizen and a police officer. It's hard to know what influence names have, but anyway in the United States people are rather used to unusual names and bugs in the first iteration of giving names are curable by name changes.
He mostly just called himself "Al", but I loved watching the scene play out when he had to give his legal name. He would say "Alpo", and the person behind the counter generally would give a visible start. Then grandpa would nod and say, very matter-of-factly, "Like the dog food." It instantly turned his name into a non-issue.
Well meaning people always think their perspective of how the world should look is the right one and people in a democracy think they can use that perspective to control others (For the love of FSM will someone please think of the children!!!)
Oh, and in Iceland they use patronyms, it means her son/daughter will be called ("last name") Blaersson/Blaerdóttir (something like that)
Edit: see comment below, son/daughters have their father's name, not mother's.
it's patronyms, not matronyms
After the dictatorship, no limits. Some pretty...different... names have started to proliferate, typically for people of lower socioeconomic status. To see, take a look at the Brazilian national team's roster over time.
One particularly good example: Maicon, currently at Manchester City, worth many, many millions of dollars. "Maicon" is the phonetic spelling for "Michael." In fact, his name is Maicon Douglas. Not joking: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maicon_Douglas_Sisenando
(for some reason the EN wiki page reversed the names)
As someone said, children are cruel, and will mock the hell out of Ronaldo, and even a lot of adults will lough behind the back at someone with the name Tarzan.
On the other hand, there are so much beautiful names that one shouldn't be forbidden to choose from because they are not on the list.
Anyone can pronounce Ronaldo.
Not "everyone" can pronounce Ronaldo.
There is nothing intrinsically "easy" about the name itself.
"Ronald" is harder which is my point exactly.
Only in Europe could this seem reasonable. How much money is spent on such nonsense?
If you register births — and I imagine most states do — then it doesn't take a lot to impose a whitelist of names you'll allow.
What people call their kids in the privacy of their homes isn't regulated, only what's on their birth certificate, after all.
(Not sure where I stand on this. I'm in the UK, where names are not regulated and one man famously changed his to 'Yorkshire Bank Are Fascist Bastards' following a dispute).
>There is a list of 1,853 female names, and 1,712 male ones, and parents must pick from these lists or seek permission from a special committee.
Maybe it is a volunteer committee but they almost certainly could find something better to do with their time.
But the registrant either didn't care, or thought "Oh, those crazy Americans."
What most people miss is that the list IS NOT AUTHORITATIVE.
Once you move outside the "comfort zone" (lacking better words) of this list the only thing that happens is that you have to reasonably explain the name to authorities.
This can be as simple as showing that the name was already used in another country (say the USA). This only leads to people thinking harder about naming their child "Brfxxccxxmnpcccclll mmnprxvclmnckssqlbb11116"
No wonder why people killed popes, destroyed churches and gave their children some crazy names based on slogans and acronyms
There was a list of (saints) names associated with certain dates, but I don't believe that parents would be universally forced to take the matching name.
And remember that in the countryside, most people were married (by their parents' choice) while still being minors by modern standards.
The traditional society is called traditional for a reason: it's not that you can't call your son with a random name, it's just this thought never occurs to you. You do what you're supposed to do by default.
Well, I don`t believe that people would kill each other over burning some shitty book or what is written in it, so what?
>You do what you're supposed to do by default.
Most of people do. But if you don`t here enforcement comes.
Seriously, even in modern XXI century I can`t choose how my name is spelled in passport because of some old hag knowing it better.
And you are talking about rural areas where only authority registering births is pope. Why wouldn`t he enforce some shitty rules?
Note that we're talking about prevalence of enforcement, not the anecdotes of it.
Sleep well, citizens. Consume. All is well.
Society has a duty to protect children from their parents if those parents are abusive.
Stupid parents shouldn't name their kids "Ima Hoare"
Stupid governments shouldn't have a "permitted list" of 150 names and require an exception outside of that list.
Everyone should do the smart thing and not the stupid thing (also, I want a unicorn...)
Just draw it now, please.
Do you believe in parents' unassailable right to name their children in this fashion?
You're speaking in generalities, and I'm asking for specifics. If you keep dodging the issue, I'll just assume you're trolling.