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Have you been reading research papers from the 1950's? If you get on any bus anywhere in the US, you are virtually guaranteed that the bus is less than 10 years old. The average replacement time for Municipal buses is 7 years...10 years with complete engine replacement.


I was driving behind a bus in the US just last week - every time the bus accelerated a huge cloud of black smoke poured out of it.

Yes, new buses are good. But there are still plenty of old ones. (And this one didn't look old.)


A puff of smoke larger than the combined smoke produced by 55 cars? (http://www.mahalo.com/answers/is-there-a-seating-chart-provi...)


Ah yes, we should go ahead with a ban on public transportation due to a fucking anecdote. You and my former boss would get along quite well.


I guess you are not as secure in your beliefs as you thought if you need to resort to swearing. You thought buses are modern and clean, and when you discover different you swear?

Diesel is very polluting compared to gasoline and I hate it. And stop/start diesel is the worst. So despite its great reputation public buses are not the automatic win they are made out to be.


They aren't beliefs. And yes, I have a tendency to curse when people advocate for very stupid policies using ideas that can be refuted in less than 5 minutes on Google.


I did do some google searches first.

Buses help with traffic and CO2, they do not help with soot. And the city in this article is having trouble with soot.

It would be wonderful if all buses were LNG, then there'd be little drawbacks. But right now they aren't, and because LNG is more expensive cities are buying diesel instead.

PS. In general cursing means you acknowledge your position is incorrect but you wish to use bluster to defend it anyway. It makes little difference if you don't intend this meaning - this is the meaning that is transmitted.


In general, being wrong makes you wrong. It makes you more wrong when you tell someone who is right that they are wrong. Soot per passenger hasn't been anywhere near car levels for over a decade. You have to go back past the 1990s to find buses that fare worse than cars on per passenger soot emissions. In 2007, diesel soot emissions were regulated to similar standards as gasoline vehicles. Stop being wrong if you want to be right.


Welcome to HN. Where we state opinions as fact and anecdotes as truth, usually with some hand wavey out in case we're called on BS. :)




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