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My goal is modest. 500k a year profit without employees would be adequate.

A) Maybe I am dumb, but it doesn't sound at all modest to me.

B) It sounds to me like you are lazy and expecting someone to hand you a get-rich-quick scheme on a silver platter. Most folks who make that kind of money actually work for it.

C) It sounds to me like you have it completely backwards and are in no way looking to add value, you just want money. It generally doesn't work that way. Even after you figure out how to do something of value that people want and/or need, figuring out how to monetize it can still be a separate challenge.

D) Given the above, I will suggest that buying lottery tickets would be a better bet than trying to start a business.

But feel free to prove me wrong on all counts. I have no problem eating humble pie.




Why would you imply that this person is lazy? That's offensive. You should apologize.

I'm sorry, but he doesn't have to prove anything to you, really. You read too much into it, he probably has the idea that 500k in profits (not revenue) is modest. That's all.

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From what I gather, that's a heckuva lot of money even for the hn crowd. He wants someone to tell him what to build to get that. He doesn't even want to have to come up with the idea himself. Perhaps I am completely wrong, but that's the impression I am getting here. If the OP wants to rebutt that and explain to me why I am wrong, I am all ears. But your assessment that I am "rude" is not evidence that my assessment is wrong. If my assessment is correct, I don't think it does him any favors to feed his delusion there is some easy answer.

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He wants someone to tell him what to build to get that.

I didn't read it that way at all. He said:

How can I figure out what to build?

not

Tell me what to build to make 500K / year profit

and he's already taken the initiative of emailing people asking about pain points. It sounds to me like he needs / wants

A. a better process for finding / identifying pain points

and

B. some motivation

I don't see laziness here, just a lack of experience.

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Thanks mindcrime, I couldn't have said it better myself. I suppose I should have left my goal out, but I thought it was useful context. Where I live and work (palo alto), modest 3 bedroom homes average $2,000,000. Nice ones bump up into the $5,000,000 range.

I think money's not fun to talk about, since it's easy to hurt someone's feelings due to people having such radically differing worldviews.

I am very ambitious, and personally 500k a year is a good "start" towards success. There's a lot of great books about the power of thought. I like "The Magic Of Thinking Big".

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I would have been generally inclined to agree with your view except for the closing line, which is why I quoted it. I don't know of any place in the world where $500k/year in profit with zero employees would be viewed as a modest goal.

He asks "what will people pay for?" Maybe just poor construction of an ESL speaker, but the title and other details look to me like he wants some easy answer handed to him. Even his earlier methodology was to email people he presumably felt should be in the know and ask for "pain points". If you can find one, yes, sometimes people manage to get big returns. But if finding a "pain point" and, moreover, good solution for it were as easy asking, I imagine we would all be millionaires.

Further, I don't know what difference you think there is between "needs some motivation" and "lazy". I don't get your point B at all.

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I don't know of any place in the world where $500k/year in profit with zero employees would be viewed as a modest goal.

I never said it was a modest goal, and I don't see how that's relevant to what I said. The OP may be ambitious, but that's fine. What I'm saying is that I disagree what the OP is lazy.

Maybe just poor construction of an ESL speaker, but the title and other details look to me like he wants some easy answer handed to him.

That was just the title, you have to look at what he actually said in the body of the post, and he clearly did NOT ask anybody to just hand him the answer. That's what the body of a post does, ya know, it adds to / clarifies the point(s) from the headline.

But if finding a "pain point" and, moreover, good solution for it were as easy asking, I imagine we would all be millionaires.

Nah, because most people are too lazy to even bother doing the asking bit. The OP has already shown more initiative than probably 99% of the population.

Further, I don't know what difference you think there is between "needs some motivation" and "lazy". I don't get your point B at all.

Wow, I don't even know what to say to that. But whatever, believe what you want to believe.

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My last point was an honest expression of bafflement. I don't know what you think is gained by trying to convince me I am wrong and then piss on me for trying to say I don't understand something you said. Anyone who thinks I am wrong can just answer the original question, which I am glad to see you also did in addition to feeling the need to crab at me.

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I'm not trying to convince you you're wrong. I think you're so wrong, you're not even wrong, therefore I can't even respond to what you said in any reasonable manner. Again, believe what you want to believe, it doesn't much affect me one way or the other.

If you think that's "crabbing at you" or "pissing on you" then I think that's more of a reflection of your worldview, outlook, personality, whatever, than it is anything else. At any rate, I'm done with this line of conversation, since it isn't benefiting anyone. Please, have the last word if you'd like.

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Mz, I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

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No, you didn't. Best of luck.

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