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Ask HN: What's your favorite recurring payments service?
12 points by jdlshore 948 days ago | 9 comments
I'm implementing a subscription-based website. What are your experiences with subscription payment processing services? I'm aware of recur.ly and Stripe, and I'd love to hear about your experiences with those services as well as any others.

I'm in this for the long haul, but I also have a need to stop bleeding money and start accepting money, so I'm looking for that magic combination of "do everything for me now" combined with lots of flexibility to change things down the road. Price isn't a huge factor at this point, within reason--every week of delay costs me more than the likely price differences--but I'd like the flexibility to optimize my costs downward in the future. I'm in the US, but a significant percentage of my existing users (and thus, my potential customer-base) are international.

From what I've seen of Stripe and recur.ly, it looks like recur.ly will do more for me in terms of getting started quickly and taking care of necessities like dunning and invoice emails. On the other hand, Stripe gets rave reviews here on HN and I really liked its straightforward approach and developer documentation.

I don't want to restrict the conversation to just Stripe and recur.ly, or just my specific needs, either. So, HN--what recurring payment services have you used, and what have their strengths and weaknesses been?

Thanks!




I don't like outsourcing subscription logic at all. It's not difficult to do yourself, yet expensive to outsource. It also ties you very tightly to a company which can raise prices on you at any time (as Recurly has in the past, without grandfathering). The switching cost when that happens is huge.

I store customer billing info at SpreedlyCore, which also provides a provider-agnostic API for making charges/refunds against the stored credit cards. Right now my processors of choice are PayPal Pro and an "interchange-plus"-priced merchant account with Authorize.net as the gateway.

With SpreedlyCore, I can change payment providers overnight (to Stripe or Dwolla or whoever becomes flavor-of-the-month) without changing any code or having customers re-enter payment details. There's also no vendor lock-in to SC -- they'll hand off the stored billing info to you if you want to leave.

I'm also in the US, and most of my customer base is also international.

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>I don't like outsourcing subscription logic at all. It's not difficult to do yourself, yet expensive to outsource

I disagree, and I say this as someone who just finished writing a recurring billing engine.

If your needs are simple (basic plans that vary in price but not necessarily in length) and you don't have much need for being able to precisely control things like add-ons, discounts, etc, then going with something like Stripe, Recurly, or Braintree is the best option.

If you need custom logic, which we did, definitely roll your own. But it's a lot trickier to do than you'd expect.

I'll give you an example of a case we need to support: handling a case where a user purchases a monthly subscription, upgrades to a yearly subscription of a different plan, but mid-way through decides they don't like it (during the trial period) and want to rollback to the monthly subscription. Writing generic logic to handle refunds, billing dates, etc is tricky, but doable.

In my mind there's no need to go through the pain of writing the whole thing yourself if the use case is simple and you don't need complex logic.

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Recurly did grandfather their early customers (we were one). For the most part, I'm a fan of Recurly and it helped improve our renewal rates. However, the major outage they experienced earlier this year (including substantial data loss) was a real blow.

Yes, it's possible to build. But if building is delaying you from doing it immediately, then buy -- it's worth it.

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I was a Recurly beta user. 2010 I think. Just after I finished integrating them and pushing it live on a 50k user site, they upped the pricing (and changed pricing models entirely) with no grandfathering. There was some big hooplah on their blog over that which led to some kind of special offer for existing users, but it still wasn't the same as when we signed up. You were probably in during a later price change.

I wasn't cool with having the company I was about to entrust my income -- putting food on my table -- changing the rules on a whim like that, so I had to roll everything back and do billing myself. I'll never trust 'em again.

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Genuine question, as I want to learn from this (as I run similar service). If you were to launch one such critical service, what would you do differently to assure your customers that you really care & won't screw them behind their back? Definitive answer is: first of all don't screw your customers. But how do you make sure you convey, you won't?

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How did Recurly help your renewal rates? Are they doing something different/more than others?

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I think their feature set is probably fairly similar to others. Through some testing of dunning settings and email notifications, we were able to significantly increase the percentage of customers who updated failed credit cards.

More than anything, it was fairly easy to integrate and roll out. We are busy building our core software and it would have taken us a long time to get to the point where we would have prioritized building our own.

I'm glad we didn't wait longer than we did because it has been worth the time and money spent on Recurly.

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Thanks for the suggestion. Actually, from my brief glance, the combination of Spreedly + SpreedlyCore seems like it might be a good fit. It looks like I could use Spreedly to get up and running quickly, then migrate to SpreedlyCore when I want to reduce costs or have more control over subscriptions.

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In case anybody runs across this in the future... after evaluating Spreedly, Stripe, Braintree, Recurly, Segpay, Dwolla, and FeeFighters, I decided to go with Recurly + Feefighters.

Recurly has a focus on recurring payments that I like and a strong emphasis on reducing failed charges that the others lacked (or didn't document well enough). Their API seems reasonable and modern, and it looks like I can scale from a "get it up right now" hosted payment page to a more-custom solution in the future.

Fees look like they might be a bit high--$69/month, plus 1.25% + 10ยข per transaction, PLUS merchant account fees--but having somebody else do a good job of handling my dunning and invoicing emails well should be worth the cost.

Recurly will set you up with a merchant account (or so it seems) but I'm going to augment that with a FeeFighters search. FeeFighters provides competitive bids from merchant accounts provider. They're paid by the provider, so it won't cost me anything to give them a shot and compare what they find to what Recurly offers.

My second choice was Spreedly, for its abstraction over multiple services, which would give me more flexibility in the future. Unfortunately, their service came across as a bit immature and I had trouble finding webhook information I was looking for in their documentation. Also, they didn't look like they had the sophisticated dunning that Recurly offers, which was Recurly's main draw for me.

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