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Hopefully. Android may be good enough for the vast majority of people, for myself it's just rage inducing.

You know, I was sort of jaded from Apple's stupid antics. When my dad asked me what phone his employer should buy for him I told him to get the Samsung Galaxy SII. It got great reviews and was widely praised, it also runs a somewhat recent version of Android. Now I'm visiting my parents for Christmas and helping my dad configure it.

Holy shit, what an unbelievable piece of crap! There aren't enough expletives to describe that train wreck. Running Android 4.0.4, no less. Wow. It's just awful, no better than those crappy feature phones from five years ago, making all the same idiotic mistakes. How anyone can deal with this crap is a mystery to me. (I now just feel bad for my dad who has to deal with it.)

Apple, I may hate your antics, but you do blow Samsung out of the water. Google still has to step it up. I thought they were on a level. They still are not. All they have going for them is price and diversity. (Not that anyone but me care. But holy shit, what a piece of crap. I'm really wondering what all the gushing reviewers were smoking. Also, what the hell is wrong with that awful display? Why is white so green?)




Could you back up your statement with some examples? I have friends with the SII and they are very happy with it.


Thousands of dialogs pop up all the time telling me stuff I'm not interested and that is not important or useful (e.g. explaining some gimmicky and useless gestures).

I was told that deleting crapware from Android phones would be easy, however, it seems to be very hard. Even then, there is no way to know which apps you can delete and which you cannot. I gave up on it. It seemed like too much of hassle.

The settings are a mess, unorganized, not explicit, confusingly vast, with very bad descriptions and many options on a same hierarchical level

That Play Store! Thousands of confirmation dialogs, updating apps is an ordeal. I gave up. I think I have to take another stab at it tomorrow.

Scrolling inertia is wrong. Ugh. That's real ugly.

Contacts crashed, showing a black screen for a good 20 seconds. When iOS apps crash you are back to the home screen immediately. (Apps crash. I have no problem with that. But they shouldn't crash like that.)

That inconsistent back button! You never know what it will do (since it's not consistent, there is no rhyme or reason). Sometimes it means back in the app hierarchy, sometimes it takes you back to the last screen you saw, independent of app hierarchy.

That damn menu button! It hides tons of crap, you never know what there will be. It's seemingly used by lazy UI designers to throw in everything they thought they needed and couldn't fit into the normal UI.

The translation to German of the interface is atrocious. Apple make their fair share of embarrassing mistakes, Samsung/Google puts it on a whole new level. Labels that don't fit and are cryptically abbreviated and so on.

Those may seem like small things, but those are things that tick me off. I have to note that I'm talking about my personal taste here. Others may be able to deal with it. I noticed that I can't. Even though I thought I would like it. I'm honestly shocked now. I thought Android would be pretty awesome by now. That's what everyone told me – and I believed it. At least for me personally that's sadly not true (but I still want to try one of those Nexus phones, Samsung, however, is dead to me now).


> Thousands of dialogs pop up all the time telling me stuff I'm not interested and that is not important or useful (e.g. explaining some gimmicky and useless gestures).

What exactly are you speaking of? Android will display some annoying tips about how to use the app menu and the home screens but after about one minute you are through that. Other than that the only thing that pops up for me are the "What's new" information after an app update. Anything else is is by design by the specific app you are using or by samsung.

> I was told that deleting crapware from Android phones would be easy, however, it seems to be very hard. Even then, there is no way to know which apps you can delete and which you cannot. I gave up on it. It seemed like too much of hassle.

Some apps are preinstalled in the system partition and without root you don't have the write permission to delete it. You know which one these are because when you are in the "apps" settings and click on the app you cannot "uninstall" it but only "disable" it. The result will be almost the same - it won't show up in the app chooser and it will certainly not run. Just take up a little space in the system partition. Why they did introduce that system - I don't know, but I honestly don't understand how you could "give up on it" just because the button says "disable" instead of "uninstall".

>The settings are a mess, unorganized, not explicit, confusingly vast, with very bad descriptions and many options on a same hierarchical level

Define unorganized. I mean, there are groups like "Wireless & Networks", "Interface", "Device", "Personal", "Accounts", "System". I would agree, it's messy but mostly I go through the settings once and then only occassionally. What exactly was so hard to find for you?

> That Play Store! Thousands of confirmation dialogs,

Installing and app is pressing install, then confirming the permissions and then closing the confirmation popup. That last step is rather unneccessary but not really that annoying.

> updating apps is an ordeal.

In the play store, go to settings, check "auto-update apps" and you can update all apps at once and only have to confirm when the permissions of one change. Today I installed cyanogenmod and it was the default. Maybe it's not for yours.

> I gave up.

Why? You still gave no specifics whatsoever what these "thousands of confirmation dialogs" is or what "ordeal" you have to go through to update your apps.

> Scrolling inertia is wrong. Ugh. That's real ugly.

Couldn't find something wrong with it other than the occassional odd behaviour but I think it's the touchscreen hardware. Can you describe what's wrong with it? I really don't understand it.

> Contacts crashed, showing a black screen for a good 20 seconds. When iOS apps crash you are back to the home screen immediately. (Apps crash. I have no problem with that. But they shouldn't crash like that.)

When apps crash on android you should get the typical feedback dialog pretty much instantly. When you have a black screen it probably hang in some strange way (strange because you get the "application not responding" screen after about 5 seconds normally). Maybe if you had exceptionally much i/o operations on the sd card at that time it was slowed down too much? (That is one of the actual problems)

> That inconsistent back button! You never know what it will do (since it's not consistent, there is no rhyme or reason). Sometimes it means back in the app hierarchy, sometimes it takes you back to the last screen you saw, independent of app hierarchy.

That's both pretty cool and pretty annoying depending on what you want to do and what it does. You know what it does when you try and remember it. When I start a first person shooter my "a" key suddenly doesn't type "a" in the chat, it moves me left. And in some other games it rotates me. That's not something that confuses me because it is so inconsistent that's just learning the convention of the application. But maybe I am "special" as I am comfortable with using fluxbox, kde, gnome3 or unity all the same.

> That damn menu button! It hides tons of crap, you never know what there will be. It's seemingly used by lazy UI designers to throw in everything they thought they needed and couldn't fit into the normal UI.

That describes pretty much my browser, chromium, at the moment. It has some buttons in the normal UI and then there is one menu button that hides all the other functionality. Actually that's most menu bars everywhere: You will never know what is hiding there - until you try it.

> The translation to German of the interface is atrocious. Apple make their fair share of embarrassing mistakes, Samsung/Google puts it on a whole new level. Labels that don't fit and are cryptically abbreviated and so on.

Reminds me of blueman: http://ompldr.org/vZ3M3MA/blueman.png ("Audio Sink", for the off chance that you didn't guess it).

The most prominent feature of your rant is the lack of any specific labels that "don't fit" or are "cryptically abbreviated".

> I have to note that I'm talking about my personal taste here.

Honestly, how long have you tried it? I would say at least a week of daily use to get used to the basic functionality.

And you should slow a bit down to condemn "android" when all you have used is one samsung-modified version. Because that's what your first sentence in the other post does.

As I said I installed cyanogenmod on a smartphone today and and I think I like it even better than the stock android on my nexus tablet. This is android too - stock android and a "fan-made" customization of android.


Huh. I have tons of apps with a greyed out uninstall buttons and no deactivate button! There are apps with a deactivate button, but they often have cryptic names and I don't know whether I can deactivate them or what they are for.


Hm... haven't seen that before. You are right - when you go to "All" instead of "Downloaded". These are the ones like com.android.sharedstoragebackup or "Fused Location". If the names are cryptic and you don't know what they do I think they are probably system relevant apps and better be left alone...


I wish more people would try out CM10. It's too easy to do, with little to no downside (I've been running GN 4.2 nightlies for weeks now provided by fitsnugly and never have had stability problems, plus, all of the features: adjustable Quick Settings is the latest).


Do you not understand that the S2 is a very old device?

I was an iphone user up until the latest generation of Android devices. Now I've got a Note 2 and could never go back to iOS.


Ranting without substance.... arrg


I was mostly talking about my own taste. I do not claim that you can generalize my impressions.


Good thing you have all those specifics in there. Or any. Or even a hint at what is such a "train wreck". My litmus test is when my got-super-rich-off-Apple-stock friend is saying that he's trying out 4.2 and is envious of it. And that's just from casual exposure to someone who has owned every iOS device made.


I bought a Nexus 7 as my first Android device a few weeks ago, primarily for reading. Overall, I've been pretty happy with it as a long-time iPhone and iPad user. I'll say this: It's surprising how bad Android's momentum-free scrolling feels. Apple patents strike again!


is that really true? We implemented momentum scrolling on the Sony-Erricson p800 ages ago. go figure...


I don't know, this is the second time I've heard this complaint in two days. I have inertial momentum scrolling in Android. It's been here forever and it works quite well... I think this is "it feels different than iOS so it sucks" mentality.


For specifics see my other comment.

Also, I do believe that those who like Android honestly do. I'm just saying that it's a mystery for me personally. That's all. For me the experience was rage inducing and I was shocked by that because I expected Android to be great.




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