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"describing one's work place as stressful and demanding is a softball? "

no, but describing one's work place's only flaw as (paraphrased) 'we are so awesome that some good people can't hack it and leave' is.

"Not everyone is meant to be put outside their comfort zone...I've seen some good people just not hack it and leave" . In other words, people leave because the company's work is so demanding they can't keep up. Not that there's anything with anything the company does. No Sir. It is all those pesky people who can't stretch far enough.

Every company of 5k people will have definite dark sides that are not just 'some people are not suited to raise their game to our levels'.

Either don't go there, iow be diplomatic, which makes sense since you are an employee commenting on a public forum, xor give an honest unvarnished opinion of what those dark sides are.

Don't do these softball, 'we are so awesome that some people can't measure up and leave' stuff as the only 'negative' you can think of. Facebook has no other flaws (as a company to work for)? Seriously?

This is Hacker News, and soft soap (or what appears to be soft soap) will be spotted and called out. Think of it as feedback. Nothing personal :)

That said, I thought the rest of your answer was great ( I upvoted, fwiw) and conveyed something of what working for FB is like. This is just a minor blemish.




That's totally fair feedback and it totally makes sense the way you put it. So here is a more direct version of what I was trying to say.

I love this place because it has given me so many opportunities to try hard new things and grow but I've also had some of my most stressful life events while working here. Being lean and scrappy also means that when the shit hits the fan you are often times looking around for the "expert" and realize that you are supposed to be that person and if you don't solve the problem then everyone is fucked.

To give a little more context. The Site Integrity team fights spam, abuse and protects people from having their account taken over and when I joined over 5 years ago there really weren't too many people thinking about this stuff every day. I had previous experience with some of it from working on orkut.com so when I got here that is the kind of stuff I was able to have a lot of impact on. Spammers are smart and try to hit us when we are asleep or on vacation and I learned that the hard way during a trip to lake tahoe shortly after I started where I literally fought a spam attack for 2 days straight while my friends and family were skiing. I'm not complaining though because I found out that I am able to be very clear in situations like that every attack made my game that much better. Most everyone on my team is just like that but there are a number of people that really need a lot of backup and need a 9-5 routine.


Sounds like a great job. Good for you.

FB is attracting more and more people I know who are top notch technically - Alex Feinberg, Simon Marlow, to name a couple. With Google the impression is that the really cutting edge people are the 'old guard'- Ghemawat,Dean, Norvig, Horzle (spelling?), even Guido Van Rossum.

And just from the relative sizes of Google and Facebook and comparing the respective 'move between teams' policies, it is undeniable that Google has more of a 'large slow corporate' vibe about it these days (the cutting edge Google X type projects aside), and FB might actually be the better bet for a smart and ambitious but 'uncredentialed' (as in, don't have superstar level achievements to his name, so can easily slide into one of Google's cutting edge futuristic projects vs fixing javascript bugs or whatever) engineer.

Here is one more FB edge: From a purely local (Indian) viewpoint, FaceBook hires ultra sharp people for its US offices, vs Google mainly hiring into the local (Bangalore) office, which is a horror politically (i.e manager competence and behavior) and technically, and then (by HR policy) making you wait 2 or 3 years before you can transfer. I really wish someone at Google HQ would do some Augean stable cleaning here.

As of today, for a sharp Indian dev, it probably makes more sense to apply to Facebook than Google.

But then OTOH Larry and Sergei are more inspiring leaders than Zuckerberg. So ...

(due disclosure: spoken as someone who has no intention of working for either company, and has no axe to grind for either company. just stream of consciousness, and it is the middle of the night here, so apologies for any incoherence)




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