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The weird thing with most of these reviews is that they're so predictable. Those who you'd expect to hate the Surface have, and those you'd expect to like it -- have (probably the biggest exception being Paul Thurrot).

I know several people will Surface's and I haven't heard of the app store crashing from any of them. And I use the app store on a standard Win8 w/o a crash in the months I've used it.

And of the couple of people I've read who have had app store crashes, they have been people who typically don't like MS products.

The Surface is becoming more of a Rorschach test than anything else. Did anyone seriously think that MG would like the Surface? Does anyone seriously think that MG won't like WHATEVER Apple ships next?




>Did anyone seriously think that MG would like the Surface?

No, but you might expect Paul Thurrott and Peter Bright to, if you were judging it on the basis of their general opinion of Microsoft.

The problem with ascribing opinions of the Surface/Windows 8/RT to one's general opinion of Microsoft and/or Windows is that so much of it is incongruous with what we think of as "Microsoft". People who like one Apple product tend to like most Apple products because there is a clear thread of simplicity and elegance that runs through them.

I'm not sure what thread has traditionally run through Microsoft products (lots of buttons, lots of choices, lots of legacy?), but the Surface, with its vertical integration model, and Metro, with its "non-power user" interface, breaks that thread. But then at the same time you have the desktop mode, which tries to maintain a connection to the Microsoft of old. So in conclusion it's a big mess and old biases don't necessarily apply.

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No, but you might expect Paul Thurrott and Peter Bright to, if you were judging it on the basis of their general opinion of Microsoft.

I mention Thurrott as an exception. Peter Bright covers Microsoft, but certainly not someone who typically likes MS products. He tends to strongly dislike as often as he likes MS products (if not moreso).

People who like one Apple product tend to like most Apple products because there is a clear thread of simplicity and elegance that runs through them.

Really? Like the simplicity that is iTunes? The elegance that is AppleTV? The simplicity/elegance of OSX? Apple has been consistently elegant in hardware, but their software has been as jumbled a mess as anything from Microsoft or Google. It's just been coupled with much superior hardware -- and maybe that's enough, but it certainly not a thread that runs through all their products.

So in conclusion it's a big mess and old biases don't necessarily apply.

Yet old biases still seem to apply. Odd isn't it. And IMO the biases come out so clearly when you read what they write -- whether about the Surface or not, but especially about the Surface.

How is it possible that so many find it a joy to use, and so many can find no use for it at all. And it seems to fall completely along party lines?

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Apple's software has plenty of problems, but it's successes are numerous and outshine the competition from other heavyweights. Safari, Preview, iMovie, the panorama feature in iOS 6, Mail on iPad, the App Store model (though not all of its UI), Pages, and Keynote, are just a few random examples of simplicity and elegance in their software, and there's plenty more examples.

Even its power user apps, like Aperture and Final Cut Pro X (controversies notwithstanding) show a thoughtfulness and polish that I just don't see in the products of other large software companies, let alone a company that is also a first-class hardware manufacturer.

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I think it would be fair to end this by just saying that we hold the list of Apple software you gave at very different levels of esteem. :-)

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"How is it possible that so many find it a joy to use, and so many can find no use for it at all. And it seems to fall completely along party lines?"

I think it's just because not that many people actually have the Surface yet.

So as another commenter pointed out, it's probably either going to be early adopters who want it to be good anyway or the tech review sites which everyone seems to accuse both of having an Apple bias anyway.

Not saying either camp is correct, but it's not like we're talking about a big sample size here, in either case it's probably the vocal minority contributing to the initial impressions.

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As far as bias goes the type of people who rushed out to buy a Surface early are probably the ones least likely to admit its buggy or slow. So there's that. I don't own one so I don't know. I have watched some YouTube videos though and was not impressed. In one the person doing the video actually says 'apps load quickly' while he's showing an app opening very slowly. So it depends a lot on your expectations. 5-10 seconds to open the mail client on the Surface may be fast compared to the 20-30 seconds Outlook on Windows can sometimes take to open but it's dirt slow compared to opening mail clients on iOS or Android. (instant or damn close to it)

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This isn't a comment on the Surface since I don't have one and aren't likely to get one, but more on the Windows 8 store, which on my desktop has been TERRIBLE. since launch I've managed to get two apps and I've had 15 or so updating at a glacial pace. It's been slow, apps will partly download and then not install, others will just sit in the queue. Three weeks later I still have four apps that haven't updated.

(Totally off topic but the wireless support for my desktop's card is bordering on unusable.)

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Maybe he's biased. Or maybe the Apple products are just good and the Surface is bad ?

I feel like people tend to get enraged just because one person doesnt heap praise on the underdog and criticise the leader.

But the reality could just be he likes the products that work for him.

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