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>They bought Logic and most Logic fans will tell you that they've mostly just dumbed it down and dropped the price since then, turning it into "GarageBand Pro"

I'm a Logic Pro user (and my brother is a Logic Pro, err, pro). Logic today has nothing at all to do with Logic at the time Apple bought Emagic. It's extremely more polished and powerful, with far more capabilities (from amp modeling, to flex audio manipulation, to several new builtin plugins instruments, to 64 bit operation, to multicore enhancements, to OSC support). It's not even close.

And it's not like Emagic is out of the loop. Apple uses the same engineering team, based in Germany.

Anybody who says anything about "dumbed down" is more likely a dilettante relying too much on bloggers and pundits. Apple has only _added_ features to Logic and streamlined the interface. Nothing has been taken out (unlike, say, FCPX, where some features were cut due to the rewrite from scratch).

Logic Pro always comes with top scores when reviewed in trade mags (Keyboard, Electronic Musician, Future Music, Mix, etc), and if you read those, you'll notice the vast majority of professional musicians uses either that or Pro Tools. Cubase, Sonar etc doesn't even register, and Live is mainly used by electronica/live acts for it's particular strengths.

So, the "dumbing down" is just the BS meme that spreads around based on misunderstanding the FCPX situation, and from reaction to whenever Apple makes the changes to their pro UI look to match their latest UI schemes.

>Not really much of a feather in their cap, particularly if you compare it to what the competition has been able to accomplish in the time timeframe.

What exactly have they "been able to accomplish in the timeframe"? Logic Pro 9, 3+ years old, is still on the top DAWs around. Pro Tools is not even 64-bit yet, and just recently got support for native operation. And Cubase, is, well hardly touching Logic in plug-in power and workflow.

You're in the minority opinion here. I've been making music on computers for over ten years and actually code my own VST plugins so I'm pretty familiar with this market and Ableton, Cubase, ProTools, StudioOne etc have all left Logic in the dust with the possible exception of midi editing which was a core strength of Logic since the Emagic days. The engineering team in Germany seems to have mostly been assigned to GarageBand.

I know far, far more people that have dumped Logic for something else since the acquisition than the other way around. None of them can be dismissed as dilettantes. And I don't know anybody that uses it for serious audio work. ProTools continues to utterly dominate that market.

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