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tptacek 528 days ago | link | parent

Well then you're proposing that we should have issued 1,700 "Darwin awards" since just 2009, almost all of them to small children.

I think it's much less likely that you actually mean this, and more likely that you haven't read much about the CPSC's side of this story.



jlgreco 528 days ago | link

I think it is pretty clear that I am refering to teenagers eating magnets getting a Darwin award, not children..... Talk about uncharitable interpretations.

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tptacek 528 days ago | link

I think it's pretty clear that I don't think you're OK with little kids being hurt by magnets.

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jlgreco 528 days ago | link

Is being obtuse a sport for you?

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yew 528 days ago | link

Seriously?

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tptacek 528 days ago | link

Yes. I thought saying "I think it's unlikely you actually think little kids should get Darwin awards" communicated that he wasn't writing callously, but just hadn't considered the CPSC's side.

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yew 528 days ago | link

Given your continued insistence on trying to change the argument to one about the elimination of all small round magnets, I can only assume that you're either trolling or just completely unwilling to think about other people's positions. You certainly don't come across as stupid enough for it to be anything else.

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yew 528 days ago | link

That is to say, given the rather high quality of your other contributions to the site, I can't imagine that your posts here are only accidentally coming across as obtuse. Perhaps I'm wrong! It's been known to happen.

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yew 528 days ago | link

Mostly I just got the impression of someone trying to invoke condescension. Have you just never heard of cost-benefits? Otherwise, elaborating a bit more might make your points less opaque.

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shrughes 528 days ago | link

cost/benefit? There are plenty of affordable substitute goods for toy magnets.

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yew 528 days ago | link

That's one source of negative utility in this case. A general cost-benefit analysis of this policy decision would need to take into account quite a few more.

Anyway, I was referring to tptacek's apparent failure to consider that someone might think some finite number of deaths acceptable.

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tptacek 528 days ago | link

I have no problem with that. The only issue I have is when people cast a data-driven policy decision about a relatively dangerous novelty item as some kind of ignorant overreach.

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yew 528 days ago | link

'Ignorant overreach' is a value judgment, even if it doesn't sound quite like one. We can disagree about which data is relevant and how it should drive policy, and end up right back where we started.

The only ways out (that I can see) are to either talk about the disagreement itself or ignore each other and go back to lobbyist fights.

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