Is this real client side encryption, or is it Dropbox/Hushmail style encryption where they can do a little server side trickery in order to obtain your encryption key if the US government compels them to?
I'm just thinking how useful it would be to law enforcement if they could just specify a location, date and time and go through pictures taken there for evidence.
I hate this whole idea. It's inevitable that it will happen, but I hate it nonetheless. You wont be able to go outdoors without being constantly recorded by strangers. My only hope is that the popular services manage the technology such that we don't end up with databases that governments, or organisations can read private data from.
Our biggest concerns at the moment is partly how we can implement effective encryption/decryption that won't drain the battery life of your phone or decrease the user experience.
Another concern is what will happen if the user loses their password? If we have no possibility to access a users encrypted data then their data would be lost in this case. We would also need to decrypt and reencrypt all data if the user changes password, something that would be very time/battery consuming if done on the device, instead of our servers.
These concerns are something that we are evaluating solutions to as we speak, our goal is to make it impossible for anyone but you to access your private, aka. not shared, data.
If you have any suggestions we are of course happy to hear them.
/Dan Berglund, Software Developer @ Memoto
Simply saying that you encrypt data is not enough. People need to know who has the keys and who is able to get access to the keys if they need to.
"We would also need to decrypt and reencrypt all data if the user changes password"
This depends if you are using a key derived from the password. Or if you are using a randomly generated key that is encrypted using a key derived from the password. With the latter, you would only need to re-encrypt the randomly generated key. Not the entire data set.
I understand that usability is important for your business case. Just don't forget how sensitive the data is that you will be collecting and how ripe for abuse it is if you don't secure it fully.
I also think that you should open source your client software. If not, I'd be concerned that at some point you'll be forced to put back doors in it to get at peoples keys.
* Encrypt the data with a key (let the user print it out if you like)
* Encrypt the key with the password of the user (or multiple users!)
* Store the encrypted-encrypted-key on your server.
If a user wants to change their password, their old password decrypts the key, and the new password re-encrypts the key.
The world is changing. When it's this easy and cheap to record everything that happens in public and put it in a searchable database, people will do it. You can't stop the tide.
We shouldn't support this project or projects like this unless we get full assurances that the privacy issues have been tackled appropriately. At the moment, we don't know how the encryption is done, so as far as we should be concerned, there is none. No encryption.
As far as I'm concerned, with the knowledge we currently have of the project, if this project becomes big, this is worse than for example: The government installing CCTV on every street corner, which automatically uploads data to a central database that they can peruse at will. These cameras will be in and on private property as well.
Easily, but what do you propose to do about it?
Creating such a database will become easy and cheap; the technology is inevitable, and there will always be a large userbase who don't care much about privacy concerns; in the "worst" case a large company could hire a bunch of people to walk around taking pictures of everywhere.
You could make taking the pictures illegal, but I don't like the implications of that one bit. Making aggregating them illegal would be very difficult to police and wouldn't stop governments. It probably wouldn't stop large corporations either (they'd do the processing offshore or find some other way around it).
The way I see it there's no way to stop the big corporations getting this ability, so the best thing we can do is level the playing field.
This is opposed to the worse case scenario where all images are automatically uploaded to a central database. If this is going to happen, that central database really needs to be encrypted such that only the user can access the images, not even the company that controls the database.
If that's a large percentage of people, it's going to be hard to avoid being on somebody else's camera, even if you don't have your own.
Obscurity.com -- disorganizing the worlds information
many people will realize how boring their lives look from the outside and they will stop wearing it because it's depressing.
Anyway, the tech isn't the hard problem, it's the analysis, information overload and personal search engine industry. Many companies including my own are skating towards that puck.
As far as I know, no academic research or even rumored corporate research is going into useful, consumer-oriented (meaning able to provide meaningful value to the user with minimal curation and/or improving their quality of life), management of life-recording amounts of video. Most aren't even touching audio.
Audio recording is usually legally restricted under wiretapping laws. Video recording is even dicier, not just with laws varying wildly from state to state, but also with individual privacy and image rights laws coming into play. It's why all the researchers are sticking to photography, unless you're the military, when the rules don't apply to you.
The only researcher who's done any work, as far as I know, into handling that much video and audio is Deb Roy, with his timeworms visualizations, and that's only because it was his own household that he was able to clear an IRB. And it's still not useful by my previous definition.
You've been able to do all-day life-recording for under $1000 since the mid-2000s: http://www.eyetap.org/wearables/wear-hard-06/2006420.html and http://www.eyetap.org/wearables/wear-hard-06/2006423.html for mailing list posts I wrote on the subject.
You can do it today for around $200, but the six years since I wrote those posts, we still don't have the tools to process that much data.
I'd be interested in learning more about your work, and may be able to share some of my own.
I'm not yet interested in audio/video, but that's eventually where the puck will be (so that's where we should be skating to - if you're familiar with that metaphor).
But in fact I think what's externally visible about a person's day to day life isn't that interesting. Especially if he's staring at a computer all day. A lot of quantified self stuff I actually find quite dull and useless. I'd be more interested in seeing my blood sugar levels
Humans have an intense world of internal description and that's what I'm interested in working with. Describing your life is a way to actually frame your own feelings and sense of purpose.
My own life has been dramatically improved by the software I've written that really just tells me what the f•¶§∞ I've been doing and let's me visually compare that to what I want to be doing.
As I get rolling here turning into an actual product then I'll be more public about it. Definitely interested in talking with people though. I'm especially looking for datavisualization people.
"The analysis unit analyzes the log information collected from the information collection unit and decides at least one topic representing the user's daily life information."
meaning cell phones
also Gordon Bell's book
That Samsung patent sure is interesting, though. The US filing of March 31, 2012 is interesting, too, as I started work on something similar in February (I see their foreign patents are from last year).
You might be interested in this (rather large, dated, from May) slide deck PDF of what I'm looking into: http://s3.amazonaws.com/vitorio/Automated%20Storytelling%20M...
Feel free to contact me, links are in my profile.
The Samsung thing sounds like it could just choose a likely significant event and make it into a story. it could be extremely lame and unworthy of a patent. it could be entirely as combat move against apple.
You're only a subpoena away from having every intimate detail of your life revealed to the authorities, unless you manage to turn the camera off whenever something potentially suspicious happens (this is also called circumstantial evidence).
The idea is not new, Justin started http://www.justin.tv/ recording everything in his life with a video camera.
I don't want anything I say or do being recorder by someone else(I know this camera only takes pictures, by now), and I don't want other people(smartphone manufacturer and the US government) to know what I did Thursday at 3:00 pm.
One of the worse things about living in a small village is all people controlling what others do, gossip here and there. In cities people were free of other people trying to control them, with cameras everywhere and web social services it is becoming rural village again.
It is big brother´s dream. In the future the government will use cameras on the street, face recognition and servers to track anybody at any time.
Isn't this a case of if you don't like it... don't use it?
It has a "privacy button" that stops it from taking photos for a few minutes and records other information along with the images (like temperature, for example). Also, all of the images and data are stored locally on the device.
Another lifelogging camera, with better specs, about to hit the market (Nov 2012 according to the register/buy page) is Autographer, from the Oxford Metrics Group:
They are advertising 8GB of internal storage, so it would seem that they're storing the images locally too, though the device has bluetooth.
On the other hand, the application for lifelogging is pretty long. An employed programmer(or indeed, anybody who makes money) should be able to justify the expense of 249 bucks no problem.
Though a programmer might be able to hack the software to intercept the photo uploads and just store locally.
So the big question is what their monthly fee is and I think this project should disclose those (projected) fees and not just the price of the device because it could very well be that those monthly fees will be the large component.
And a non-portable options is for purchase http://www.jammer-store.com/uv30-uhf-vhf-jammer-blocker.html (no connection with this site).
Question is: Do I even have the right not to be filmed? Somehow I think not... Apple did file a patent to disable iPhone video recording using lasers (to be used at concerts).
Adding sound and video moves the privacy concerns to a whole new level. Are we, as a society, even ready for such a device?
Also, you add a lot of complexity both in terms of usage and in terms of manufacturing and support.
Plus the battery drain.
Of course we are very happy about the results of the Kickstarter campaign. Personally I am also very happy about the healthy concerns raised here on HN, to continue to inspire us to never settle for mediocrity. We have a great team of engineers working on both hardware and software. It is a challenge to handle such a long tech chain but we feel it is manageable with the team we have.
The geotagging of events, plus all the wonderful image recognition and categorizing (plus automatically judging photos as interesting or valuable) are the selling point of this camera. It'd be pretty hard to get shots of yourself though, maybe they could introduce some sort of opt in feature where other users of this kind of camera that were in a close by position at similar times would contribute to your feed? (Or did I just invent Color?)
So then I take it with me places on the weekends. But, I already take a high quality camera with me most-places (courtesy of my smart-phone) and it takes pictures at EXACTLY the right moment, it doesn't miss the shot because of a poor-angle, bad light, bad composition or bad timing. At least when it does, it's my fault.
To me this seems way too niche to ever succeed. I expect I'll be wearing one though in a few years time :-)
That's what this is for. Remembering the inbetweens. The moments you forgot to photograph because you were too busy living them.
Most of it will be junk, but so are most emails. The data is still worth having, for some people anyway.
What? I can’t just keep the photos without putting them on Memoto’s servers ??
For my DSL connection (3Mbps/0.8Mbps) I would need to
saturate my outgoing bandwidth half of each day
to upload 4GB. And I think that these numbers aren't
far off from the global average.
If this is going to be a viable product, I don't
understand at why the developers wouldn't provide
a local storage model. Without that, I for one
would have zero interest in the service as described,
particularly given all the other concerns of handing
over this much intensely personal data.
Are you kidding me? No option for just uploading to my own computer? This makes the whole thing a non-starter.
Unless they had already provide this option.
But really, this seems like a cool idea for a phone app, why the extra hardware?
Try walking around all day with a full-size smartphone hanging as a necklace. People are going to think you're crazy.
Miniaturization is the name of the game.
Note to self: Submit everything cool to HN.
Their funding goal of $50K is ridiculous. This is a software + hardware project. $50K is nothing.
Plus they need to pay royalties for using JPG once that project takes off.