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As an X11 holdout, my time seems nigh.




Devuan should hopefully keep it for quite some time

You still have XFCE.

Wayland+sway switch from x11+i3 is so simple and works so well. Only minor annoying thing not working for me are right-click context menus on some applets like Blueman and Steam.

One’s minor annoyance is someone else’s dealbreaker.

With a tiny tiny caveat of wanting to run Nvidia drivers instead of nouveau.

Nvidia's official drivers have supported Wayland quite well since the 550-series. If you haven't tried it in a few years, now is a great time to give it a spin.

You're at a fork in the road. Do you chose Y11 or X12?

The future is now old man.

The future seems buggy and incomplete.

But it's coming anyway, whether people like it or not.

FWIW, it is my understanding that XWayland is still supported, so it's not like your apps will stop working.


My problems with Wayland are KDE specific. I tired it, but there where so many window management regressions and sometimes graphical glitches that I switched back. But that was under plasma 6.4. Have to try again now on 6.5 to see if these issues are fixed. If not I should write a bug report, I guess.

Also there needs to be an alternative for (or patch to) simplescreenrecorder that works under Wayland. I don't want use a complex thing like OBS to make a quick demo video to demonstrate something for a co-worker and stuff.


I'm not sure about SSR currently but Kooha and KDE's own Spectacle work on Wayland fine. I'm running Plasma 6.5 on Arch and very pleased with it.

Didn't know Spectacle can do screen recordings now. Just tried it: The "New Recording" button seems to be broken. It does nothing. No error message on the terminal even. Maybe it only works under Wayland?

> FWIW, it is my understanding that XWayland is still supported, so it's not like your apps will stop working.

Applications generally work through XWayland. Accessibility and automation tools do not.


That seems to be the mood du-jour - see also: rust coreutils in Ubuntu.

Personally I like Rust, but I'm against rewriting old well tested tools in Rust just because. There is this opinion out there that Rust devs rewrite everything for no good reason, but I only really saw that happening in coreutils and sudo. In the other cases that I heard of the rewrite wasn't from C/C++ (but e.g. from JavaScript and they need more speed) or they needed a rewrite anyway for different reasons (e.g. first working parallel style calculation in Firefox).

So I'm very skeptical of the coreutils rewrite. In the current state it's incomplete, slower (not optimized), and replacing all GPL code with MIT/BSD code also feels strange to me.


Why do you think it's acceptable to insult someone when they have a legitimate concern regarding a software defect?

For the record, it's a Malcolm in the Middle reference: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CzBi5tIfzK4

Oops...I dropped this /s

Just so I'm clear: I still think it's too early to drop X11 support (even though Wayland has been basically fine for me for a long time).


Wake me up when MATE drops X11 support. I don't see it happening any time soon.



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