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Wow. Didn't expect a reply from "THE Eich" itself. Honoured.

>Nope, spec finalization follows shipping.

Still, shipping ES6 is also scaled back at this time, and it requires special flags and hoops to be enabled.

This means actual mainstream use (the way we know use HTML5, IE7 be damned) will be possible 2-3 years in the future at the minimum, which would be like 6-7 years from the beginning of the whole process.

This is W3C-level waiting times, especially considering that ES now is essentially the same it was in 1999, with minimal changes to the language or the standard libs.

>Nothing's perfect, least of all with multi-browser standards, but if you have an alternative for evolving the actual JS language implemented by browsers, lay it on us.

I would wish for a "one guy sets them all straight, it's his way or the highway" benevolent dictator model, but I understand that while it works for Ruby or Scala or whatever, it doesn't work in JS case where you _have_ to have 4 different implementation by 4 browser vendors to have it adopted.

I think what those vendors need is something to force their hand, but don't know what that could be.

Device turnover on mobile is 2-3 years. Things are picking up with more balanced competition and the rise of mobile to dwarf desktop.

You can't get an interoperable spec of a new edition of a language the size of JS in less than three years, for any such language. Not for Dart (which is still changing and by Google's own plans nowhere near ready to standardize) or TypeScript (also new, and tracking ES6). Java, C#, Python, Ruby, etc. were built to today's state over years or decades.

Bite-sized specs are much better. Small libraries on github and universal edge-caching, even better. Could we have bite-sized specs for JS?

As I speculated at Strange Loop last week, with a few final gaps in the language filled (Object.observe, slated for ES7, weak refs and event loops, and definitely macros! see http://sweetjs.org/) by a future JS standard, we will be "all but done".

Working away at this goal,

90% marketshare was effective for IE6 forcing other vendors' hands. Not that that's a good model to go back to. :)

(Was that a "Lensman" ref in your first line? ;-)

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