It's a rather big turd in an otherwise delicious punchbowl, and it is going to become a real-world talking point about iPhones starting today.
My fear is now Apple is becoming more bean counter and less passion, strong-opinion driven. To let Maps out in this shape is a troubling misstep.
Google's been throwing world class talent at maps for the better part of a decade now. And it's only now, within the last year or so, that the product has even begun to look mature enough to be cloned. Basically, Apple can't buy this. They just have to work on it iteratively until it improves.
Which, IMHO, it will. The "innovative window" for maps has closed. There aren't enough great features left for Google to add, so they won't be able to maintain their lead indefinitely. Mapping will be a commodity app (and hopefully an open source one) within a few years.
Why not start a price war for developers? Presumably Apple has plenty of funds to start offering developers, say, double what they're offering now. If developer skill and/or quality is really a primary concern for Apple, what is stopping them from simply offering more compensation? (Obviously, I'm not suggesting that this would be a quick fix to their maps project.)
Navteq's maps are way better than TomTom's. One of my friends had a TomTom GPS a few years ago and it was terrible, like once taking us around in circles for a restaurant and showing it was three miles away, when we could see it across the street a few hundred feet away. He had such bad experiences with it that he would borrow our Garmins and finally switched to Garmin a year ago. I just assumed that TomTom was Europe based so had much better coverage there and pretty horrible maps in the US.
If I were Google, I would release a very polished maps app for iOS for $10 with ads, but they might be just content with some people picking Android phones just because the builtin maps experience and turn by turn voice directions is really good.
And my experience in the past few months (iPad 2, iOS 6 beta) was that the store is not slow at all, so don't worry!
The appstore has always been web-based. You could really feel it on a slow connection (e.g. Edge), because the UI itself (not just the content) would take ages to display and sometimes fail to render altogether.
(I’m in Germany, living in a small city with 50,000 inhabitants:) However, map data is atrocious and riddled with embarrassing mistakes (when zooming in, the label of my city is not visible for the longest time – while much smaller villages around my city appear much earlier – and when it finally becomes visible it’s about three kilometers east of my city, in some forest). Satellite images are embarrassingly bad. POIs are practically non-existent and useless in Germany. If they exist at all they are out of date (when I search for italian restaurants, it shows me a pizzeria that closed half a decade ago, not a single italian restaurant that is open now). Google’s POIs are current and (more or less) comprehensive, Apple’s are anything but. Plus: No one uses Yelp in Germany, Qype is pretty popular around here, though – consequently there is just no useful data on Yelp about German restaurants.
I really hope that Google will soon come out with their maps app for iOS. And I hope that Apple will improve. I believe they can (hey, it took Google some time, too), and I don’t object to the existence of a second good maps service.
Google Maps has been annoying on iOS for a while -- ever since they updated their Android app to use vectors, while ignoring the iOS version, it's felt much slower and I figured it was just a matter of time before they abandoned iOS completely.
I don't understand how you can be thrilled about that. It's a link to the App Store, and represents one less option available to you.
It's a great example of something that doesn't scale easily.
There are a few improvements though, I like the new app store better because I don't need my password to update apps, or buy free ones, and the icon has a little 'new' badge to remind me to try the app.
As an Android user who was recently given an iPad for work, this one step stopped me from installing probably 10-20 apps. I'd be on a site, think "oh there's probably an app for this", realize I'd have to type in my 15-character password, and think "oh...well using the website's ok I guess". It baffles me that it's been around for as long as it has.
I suppose they will be making a lot of map-related deals over the coming months, but Google may have arranged exclusive contracts with some companies.
I laughed and then felt really, really bad for them.
It's unbelievable the way people react to criticism. (in any cases, not just Apple/iPhone)
Doesn't change how much they suck today, though.
I have no reason to take her tweet as anything but what it is. In context with her other tweets, I feel pretty damn safe in calling it at least a bit partisan. A quick scan of the first above-the fold tweets shows another conversation that is blatantly intentionally down-playing the badness of the iOS6 maps.
edit: I mean, I haven no stake in this, as I've said I have no idea who this person is, but you can't read through that feed and tell me with an honest tone that it's not biased. It's blatantly pro-Apple tweet, anti-Google tweet, ambiguous tweet about Microsoft competing with Google. Repeat.
edit2: I've devolved into an off-topic rant about some random Twitter account. I apologize. I'll merely conclude that likening iOS6 Maps to Safari (and really WebKit) as a response to how bad Maps is... is pretty desperate in my opinion.
I guess I still don't buy that Apple Maps are going to become the ubiquitous success that WebKit is.
There's one of two implications at hand:
1. It will be the best thing ever because Apple made it (which makes me immensely sad and is why I groaned at this tweet).
2. It will become a staple used by everyone like WebKit.
I don't see any chance of #2 happening as that would require Apple to license that data, or make it a service, or a reusable component for others to use. I can't think of anything that Apple does so with currently, nor any movement from them to make that seem like a logical choice.
Thus, again, I'm left wondering where on Earth someone comes up with correlating iOS6 Maps and WebKit.
-- They can generate statistics on who's searching for what, when, and where from and sell that off or give it away free to venue operators.
-- They can link custom Apps and content to a venue. (Welcome to the Museum! Tap here to download a free tour guide.") They can link .passbook offers directly on-map. ("Tap here for a discount on entry, today only!")
-- They can sell off preferential search results, preferential ratings, or retargeted advertising like Google and Yelp do.
-- They can do the opposite of that and proclaim that their maps and venue listings are of unimpeachable quality without gamed results
-- They can create a meta-venue datatype through Apple Connect that allows authorized entities to quickly whip up appealing micro-sites for their venues "Drop your menu .PDF here"
-- They can do anything they want with in-venue navigation, which is going to be massive now that the interior mapping tools are coming onto the market
With all this done:
-- They can API-ize this and create mini-sites or mini-apps wrapped in Yelp-y context that replace the entire idea of how you interact with a venue. For instance: "Thai Bistro" is now an App that tells you exactly what's going on with your favorite joint without consulting twitter, facebook, a webpage, and a mapping service.
In short, with this map platform they can now own the total experience of -leaving the house-. Google is years ahead of them on this, and it's unlikely Google's willing to share their advances with their frenemy.
Maps are foundational to representing the state of the civilization around you. It's the Webkit for Real World Experiences.
(I say this as somebody that was shocked that Apple didn't build Safari 1.0 on top of Mozilla/Gecko. KHTML?!)
But we all know that, right? Maybe this was just a response to "iOS Maps sux. Apple sux." type comments? I'm not sure. It's hard for me to believe how polar peoples' opinions still are on iOS and Android to have to have these silly conversations.
Is there any reason to expect a similar direction for Apple with maps?
The KDE Linux desktop people should get way more credit for having written the engine the powers Android's browser, Safari and Chrome...
Also, it seems very misguided to use "Safari was released. [Safari] became successful."...
to imply that "AnythingElse was released. AnythingElse will become successful."
Literally pick any product that has ever not become a rousing success and you have plenty of counter-examples as to why that logic is faulty at best.
I still also find it be evidence of pandering to go out of the way to say "Safari is a success" rather than "WebKit". The sentiment of the tweet isn't even remotely accurate for "Safari".
I mean, as you say, what other basis is there for even making such a strange comparison between two vastly different projects (an open source rendering engine and a proprietary data set gained through partnerships and manual data gathering?
Now this one on the other hand, I can't figure out the state of mind leading to writing it and releasing that to the world:
> What’s missing from this conversation is that map usage is critical. […] Google’s maps are going to start degrading. Apple’s will get better. They’ll meet in the middle within 18 months.
About darn time - took how many years?
Glad to see Apple finally address this issue!
Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4339609
Edit: the problem with color profile on SSD drive with FileVault enabled seems fixed also.
Is there another, better, link available?
On iOS you can update by going to Settings > General > Software Update
OS X users can go to App Store > Updates
(Similar results not guaranteed.)
Did anyone else have a similar experience? Is it better on iOS6?
I tried reinstalling/updating to the latest version of VirtualBox, but it did not help.
Update: I managed to disable VT-x by following the procedure described at http://tech.techteam.gr/virtualbox-vt-x-problem-cannot-disab... and starting the virutal machine with VBoxHeadless. However, this immediately made my host machine completely lock up, so I cannot recommend it :)
Both Windows 7 guest (blech) and Linux 2.6.18 (aka Oracle Developer Days) guest just launched on OSX 10.8.2, VirtualBox 4.1.20r80170, no problems.
Oracle just release VirtualBox 4.2. Release notes mention Mountain Lion support.
Same Error. mayday
Looks like iMessages finally supports messages sent to iPhone.
2) Hit Yes when it wants to know your location
3) Hit Yes when it pesters you to add it as an icon (for once, it's not bothering me). The icon is snazzy.
4) Enjoy your almost-as-good-as-the-app-was mobile Google Maps experience. Complete with transit directions.
In the future, if we're not around to look things up for you - give it a try sometime. http://google.com
a) i only went and bothered to look at some mac sites, not the all powerful everything in my life revolves around google
b) nothing was on the mac sites when I looked except "hey this new stuff is out" - nothing specifically on the battery life changes
c) I was actually sort of hoping someone who's not dependent on being pro-apple and ad revenue on their site might have real life experience to share.
oh, and finally
d) that link is nowhere near the 'first result' for all google searches on that topic. the fact that it was number 1 for whatever particular phrase you searched for doesn't mean it's "#1" for everyone all the time. Most of what I found was "Apple says they're going to release something that will improve the battery life", but no hard experience.
tl;dr - your google search results aren't everyone's, and not everyone googles for everything all the time as their default life mode.
So, I guess it's clear: we want more people asking stuff that can be answered by the first Google search result... by the article title itself.
That's less snarky, but still pretty snarky. It's hard to sugarcoat the fact that the parent poster literally didn't read the title of the first Google result.
I think anybody can get the subtext "and it wouldn't be hard for you to do the same" out of that :)
You can also schedule DND mode to go on and turn off at certain times.
You can whitelist contacts, too. There is also an option to allow calls through that happen in rapid succession (something like >1 of the same call in >=3m).
My iPhone is my only phone, so I want it to ring whenever somebody calls me, but I don't want my phone beeping with emails and texts all night. Previously, the only way to accomplish this would have been either to set all sounds except the ringtone to "Silent" (manually changing every sound) or to leave all sounds happening, but plug in a pair of headphones at night (which makes all notification sounds except the ringtone go through the headphones). I've been doing this for months, but it's obviously a pain.
"Do Not Disturb" is the solution I've been looking for.
Please tell me that Android has a similar feature?
Well, that solves one problem that everyone here on HN was complaining about.
> Apple made this maps change despite its shortcomings
> because they put their own priorities for corporate
> strategy ahead of user experience.